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 Post subject: NMR: Sun May Be Warming Both Earth and Mars
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this topic has been talked about alot - thought i would share this

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"Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes might have a natural — and not a human-induced — cause. Mars, it appears, has also been experiencing milder temperatures in recent years. In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide 'ice caps' near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun."



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

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I've got a hunch that the sun also plays a major role in the warming of Mercury and Venus.


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RIYL?

Also, Mars' summers last for 3,654 years.

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There is no such thing as global warming. Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.

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Not that pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is going to help, as such.


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Here's some musical accompaniment fr yr thread:

I Mother Earth - "When Did You Come Back From Mars"
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timis is sensei's less offensive personality

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Damen Wrote:
There is no such thing as global warming. Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.

Awesome.


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also, in case you need to be twee as fuck while the atmosphere burns off:

The Budgies "Greenhouse Song"
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+1 for the humans aren't affecting global warming campaign.

Current tally:

Humans are contributing - 645 billion

Humans aren't contributing - 10

I'm sure people will always be able to find some data to support the contrary view, but the correlation between the increase in CO2 emissions and the rise in temperature is so compelling that the serious scientific debate over whether a human contribution exists is pretty much over. I'm sure the political agenda-driven debate will never die, however.

I'm not saying this evidence is politically-driven, though. Like any scientific theory, there is evidence to support the contrary view.

Timis, if you're serious about learning more about global warming, you should see An Inconvenient Truth. I get the impression that you aren't likely to be much of a Gore fan, but it's still worth seeing.


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but the correlation between the increase in CO2 emissions and the rise in temperature is compelling enough that the serious scientific debate over whether a human contribution exists is pretty much over.

I thought correlation didn't prove causation.

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'm sure the political agenda-driven debate will never die, however.

Agreed. I haven't seen An Inconvenient Truth yet, but I hope to sooner than later.


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i posted this article b/c i saw it on slashdot over the weekend.....it was just to spark some conversation on this thing....

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but the correlation between the increase in CO2 emissions and the rise in temperature is compelling enough that the serious scientific debate over whether a human contribution exists is pretty much over.

I thought correlation didn't prove causation.


You're right, correlation doesn't prove causation. But statistically significant correlation is the best science can usually do when you have a really complex set of variables. Pretty much every medical study can only show correlation, for example. Statistically significant correlation is a pretty good predictor of causation.

Probably the major point of the movie though is that scientists have been able to track the arcitc's average temperature going back thousands and thousands of years. They've also been able to track the amount of CO2 going back that far. Basically, when plotted on a graph showing both over time, the two lines mirror each other- for every drop in temperature (i.e. an ice age) there's a drop in CO2, and vice versa. We also know that atmosphereic CO2 holds the earth's heat in, and doesn't let it escape into space. And, for the past 50 years, our CO2 emissions far exceed anything we've produced before, probably by an order of magnitude. It's literally off the charts.

It's not strict causation, no, but it's really damn compelling.


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Timis Wrote:
i posted this article b/c i saw it on slashdot over the weekend.....it was just to spark some conversation on this thing....


Keep doin yo thang Timis. S'all Good.


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