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Manny & Papi among 103 to test positive for PED during 2003 survey testing.

Now, I wonder why they weren't in the exhaustive report on steroids, etc., in baseball at the end of 2006.

I mean, what happened, there?

maybe you would have a point if the other 101 names were in that report. didn't it name like 8 guys?

plus, what exactly do you think the consequences to the red sox will be? are you expecting fenway to stop selling out? what would george mitchell have been protecting anyone from?

if anything is going to hurt the red sox, it's the way they have been hitting the last 2 weeks, not that a couple of guys that everyone knew were juicing got caught 6 years after the fact.

i will close with my favorite thing about the steroids era... every time names come out, everyone talks about how pujols is clean. give me a break. anyone from an island nation in baseball who is that size and has more zits on his back than anyone you knew when you were 16 had on his face... figure out the rest.

Mitchell was protecting the Red Sox rep as "the good guys". They were doing it right... & even for that, even as everyone else was roiding up, the Red Sox still broke the Curse [of the Bambino] & won the hearts of America. (Of course, Fallon did his damnedest to undo that goodwill.) So, of course, it couldn't come out that the two biggest bats &/or heroes on that team could be roiding. Just couldn't.

The Red Sox were the Anti-Athletics. Doing it sabremetrically, but doing it without aid of drugs. They were Good, they were THE FUTURE. Now their tower to Heaven has come tumbling down.



*& Mitchell acted to keep Man Ram & Papi out of his thorough report since he figured the confidential survey testing would never leak. Mr Washington Insider thought something was leak-proof, I guess... Suppose he didn't learn everything while serving Maine in DC, then.

Your Red Sox hate is approaching Birther levels.

Only if I were to accuse John Henry, George Mitchell, & Stephen King of juicing, as well.

Oh, & Baseball Tonite, tonite, is going to be rich. Cannot wait to see how Gammons talks around this.

So, uh... The Red Sox didn't get rewarded with... the... um... World Series in '04 for being clean. The baseball gods... They, huh, didn't give unto the... cough... clean team. They...

[commits ritual seppoku]

Anyone that was found guilty should be punished. As a baseball fan I completely can agree with the "what will it prove" sentiment. However, why are we shrugging our shoulders at this, and not at Pete Rose? Seems a bit hypocritical. The same sportswriters that bemoan gambling and its dirtiness, are spineless at calling for player's heads on this. Cheating is cheating.

If it is true that Papi and Manny are guilty of 'roiding, then take their names off the championship roster. If joe schmoe was guilty, strike all his stats from that year.

It might be harsh, but it sends a message.

The roadblock? Fans for the most part don't care. They don't care if their favorite player is juicing as long as they are beating the rival team. I bet if you polled 10 Red Sox fans if they cared that the ENTIRE team was juicing or if they beat the Yankees every time they met, they would say beating the Yanks are a bigger priority.

Its the sad fact.

are you telling me that you think there are baseball fans who are unaware that every single player in the league took some shit they shouldn't have at some point? i can't believe that.

meanwhile, i am a red sox fan in case you didn't know, and i don't recall anyone selling my team to me as the squeaky clean guys in a league of steroid abusers. on top of that, we have known about manny forever now.

on the subject of gammons, i also can't wait to see what he has to say. after all, he knows EVERYTHING about baseball. oh, except he never seemed to know that everyone was on steroids when it was plainly obvious to anyone with a pair of eyeballs.

good point about pete rose. sad how shameless the league is about punishing the guy whose behavior didn't translate to dollars for them. pete should buy selig a yacht or something. that might get him into the hall.

You obviously missed the crowing over Eric Gagne being the only (tenuously-connected-to-the-team) Red Sock in the Mitchell Report, as well the schadenfreude over Clemens turning to the juice to prove the Sox front office wrong.

Pair that with the celebration of grittiness that is your signature, & you have the ingredients for a smug stew.

Big Papi denied taking shit earlier this year and said any person who got caught deserved to be suspended for at least a year.

If he did test positive back then, he's a true scum bag for saying that shit.

He & Raffy will commisserate over a coupla Viagra & a game of ookie-cookie.

I don't think his english is too good. Maybe he thought he was endorsing sub sandwiches or something.

They have sub-sandwiches in pill form in the Dominican, now? I thought they were about a step & an half past starvation... Now they have Dippin' Dot technology that applies to solid food?

i don't accept that he is a scumbag for saying that. there is a difference between taking something when the league didn't have any policy against it and taking something now. the fact remains that baseball incentivized steroids and required no testing. personal health considerations are the only good reason for not taking steroids as a mlb player prior to a few years ago.

Exactly. Don't want your flaccidity to end up on On the DL courtesy the hat-tip of a dissatisfied slice of road beef.

perhaps you noticed this canseco quote from the article on espn:

"If you were in the game in the last 20 years, there's a 95 percent chance you were knowingly using something,'' Canseco said. "I said 80 percent back then because that was the number of players that I knew were on. But that number was greater.''

i would say that 5% falls within a believable range of a # i would imagine to put regular sized nuts over success.

That and that they were/are illegal.

Also the "everybody else was doing it" excuse doesn't make it right, thrill. Face it, your team was a bunch of cheaters.

Chipper would be approaching Willie Mays, had he juiced.

He & Frank Thomas are smelling better, & better, of late.

& yes, I know, Thomas went to Auburn. But you cannot hold that against him.

Are they illegal? I'm actually confused about that point.

thrillhouse's point, I believe, is that Chipper likely did juice.

I understand that... But like with Griffey, if that bombshell were remaining unexploded, it would be highly illogical. Someone would have scored that scoop. Some scuzzy trainer with dope ties would have a book out about The Kid or Larry Wayne being dirty.

I mean, Larry Wayne's laundry about the Hooters girl -- now his wife, but his mistress during his first marriage -- already came out. Why no juicing stories?

The same reason we didn't know about Ortiz until today?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9872 ... Ds-in-2003

I'm not going to get into the they weren't banned substances back then debate. If McGwire ends up getting an asterisks or kept out of the Hall of Fame for it, then Papi and company can face some ridicule and punishment now.
He could have kept his mouth shut and not commented on it in the first place, but knowing you failed a test and then making a righteous statement like that seems fucking moronic and places you in total douchebag status.