so whats up with these town hall meetings

jewels santana · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm **Posts:** 10198

both sides are accusing each other of pretty much the same exact thing.

in my opinion the net loser is healthcare reform.

I think they need to stop these town hall meetings, or change the format drastically so actual discussion can occur.

toots · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:59 pm

the first suggestion would be to only allow people from the district to participate, methinks

jewels santana · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm **Posts:** 10198

toots and the midols Wrote:

the first suggestion would be to only allow people from the district to participate, methinks

that's a good sensible idea . . . for a socialist.

timmyjoe42 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:08 pm

put those guns to use and make them need some immediate healthcare

Cupcakes · **Joined:** Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:04 am **Posts:** 3271

Let the bored, selfish, unoccupied angsty masses argue about a culture and a system they can't understand. There's a pretty simple solution to this problem. But...it can't exist in the US.

toots · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:11 pm

i resent that jewelz

you'll kindly refer to me as a fascist in the future

kthx

jewels santana · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm **Posts:** 10198

noted.

toots · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:55 pm

<------ note fascist hat

Chrome_CW · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:47 am

Hey Diesel/Dangerous - I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Socialized Medicine since you are in the business - care to elaborate on what you were saying? It sounds like you would support such a system here but don't believe that it would ever fly.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:53 am

Chrome_CW Wrote:

Hey Diesel/Dangerous - I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Socialized Medicine since you are in the business - care to elaborate on what you were saying? It sounds like you would support such a system here but don't believe that it would ever fly.

Just to be clear, nobody (not Nobody) is proposing that we have Socialized Medicine; the doctors, hospitals, drug companies, companies that manufacture all of the equipment and 95% of the insurance will remain private.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:51 am

Also, think about the type of people that go to meetings like in the first place.

It's all tinfoil hat wearers, urine collectors, and people who either can't eat or shit without assistance....the very people who need the most help from the government.

And Bloor, so what you're saying is, we're going to spend just shy of a trillion bucks on a bill that does nothing for 99% of us?

:thumbsup:

nobody · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:34 am

Actually, yes I am would like to propose Socialized Medicine.

toots · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:51 am

99% is surely stretching

it would probably be closer to the 80/20 statistical pattern just like any other market rate care

harry · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:52 am

Senator Epic FailGAR Wrote:

And Bloor, so what you're saying is, we're going to spend just shy of a trillion bucks on a bill that does nothing for 99% of us?

This is the kind of bloated hyperbolic dreck that the Birthers grab like a a drowning man in his own shit and give themselves permission to behave like brownshirt thugs. Howl for the country I love: I saw the best brains of my generation unable to look past their own rhetorical noses.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:07 pm

harry Wrote:

Senator Epic FailGAR Wrote:

And Bloor, so what you're saying is, we're going to spend just shy of a trillion bucks on a bill that does nothing for 99% of us?

This is the kind of bloated hyperbolic dreck that the Birthers grab like a a drowning man in his own shit and give themselves permission to behave like brownshirt thugs. Howl for the country I love: I saw the best brains of my generation unable to look past their own rhetorical noses.

Tell me what it will fix/do in less than 5,000 of a bill that not a single member has read?

I am actually NOT opposed to single payer if you can show me efficiencies and value added services.

I hear a lot about the problem with healthcare, what I do not hear much about are what this bill is proposing to SOLVE? And if you know anything about me, I love bluster, but more as a joke..what I really enjoy are solutions, but there is no way in Hey-Hey-Hell I'm going to see a moron who got elected by knowing enough rich people speak the talking points his staff and the DNC have prepared for him.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:07 pm

harry Wrote:

Birthers

Double posted, so I'll say this - this is the most overused phrase in the political lexicon right now, and less thought out and more annoying than your internet-meme-bete-noire of "Fail."

toots · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:24 pm

teabaggots?

harry · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:24 pm

Senator Epic FailGAR Wrote:

harry Wrote:

Birthers

Double posted, so I'll say this - this is the most overused phrase in the political lexicon right now, and less thought out and more annoying than your internet-meme-bete-noire of "Fail."

Overused? Lexicon? Are you high? Got to you I guess...

Quoted in South Carolina TownHall: "I want you to keep the government's hands off my Medicare..."

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:26 pm

harry Wrote:

Senator Epic FailGAR Wrote:

harry Wrote:

Birthers

Double posted, so I'll say this - this is the most overused phrase in the political lexicon right now, and less thought out and more annoying than your internet-meme-bete-noire of "Fail."

Overused? Lexicon? Are you high? Got to you I guess...

Quoted in South Carolina TownHall: "I want you to keep the government's hands off my Medicare..."

Those are the people The Framers didn't want to be able to vote, Harry. Therefore they don't really count.

No offense, but I love your zen mumbo jumbo, I would also really like it if you ever engaged in a discussion beyond that.

no guru · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:32 pm

Daily KOS Wrote:

Idiot Nation
by Hunter
Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 09:00:03 AM PDT

Ugh. I just have to highlight this again, as perfect example of Everything. Sarah Palin, determined to battle healthcare reform:

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

Seriously? I mean, come the flying monkey hell on. How is it that this hollow-headed dimwit doesn't get run out of town for statements like that? Obama's going to come murder her son?

The whole Republican party can absolutely make stuff up, no question about it, 100% lies, no factual basis whatsoever, outrageous, known false stuff about euthanasia and "death panels" and denying care to people that are no longer "productive", stuff that's right out of the most venomous propaganda playbooks around, weird-assed, depraved, paranoid stuff that would be perfectly at home in a Henry Ford tract about the secret methods of the evil Jews or the like -- and not a goddamned news outlet on the planet is making a story out of the fact that these supposed leaders of their party are gleefully lying through their teeth about all of it, or that the "teabaggers" carrying these selfsame lies into public meetings aren't just angry Americans with a different point of view, but people spreading known, 100%-goddamn-freaking-false-and-false-from-the-very-first-time-it-was-uttered bullshit, and intentionally doing it so loud that they hope nobody can possibly shout them down.

There's no "he-said, she-said" on a statement like "Obama's coming to murder my handicapped child." There's no damn panel of talking-head experts that need to be involved, there's no need to call on a lefty and a righty to have an honest to God televised freaking debate over where or not Obama is really going to go appoint a new government panel devoted to the task of murdering America's mentally handicapped kids. There's no Gigantic Public Calling to have the Wall Street Journal or some other Fail-in-a-fishwrap rag devote column space exploring how Americans may be "divided" on the probability of future government child-killing squads.

What. The. Hell? If outright, astonishing, venomous child-murder-related death propaganda by some of the most prominent figures of a nation's political-supposed-discourse is not big, come-on-and-get-your-goddamn-Pulitzer-already news, what the hell is? But no -- all we get from such luminaries as the big boys of CNN these days are public statements about how even their own damn pundits can lie their asses off about whatever made-up disproven bullshit conspiracy crap they want, because that's just the way free speech is supposed to work, you pissant little asshole commoners.

I sure to hell hope all these news outlets are being paid off or something, because I would hate to find out, ten years from now, that they really were ignoring the circuslike butchering of democracy out of star-spangled, crap-flinging, head-in-the-ass incompetence. They had better be on the take, and not really this goddamn unwilling to do their jobs just as a matter of dimwitted, bullshit-peddling laziness.

toots · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:07 pm

100 years from now historians will likely wonder how a country with such a large population of heavily-armed peasants became a world superpower

incidentally, i went to the carmel (nice side of town) chipotle on lunch break last month and sat across from a smartly dressed boomer couple. unremarkable, except the guy sported a 357 mag on his hip, holstered in painfully obvious view

aside from the fact i actually felt less safe, it was beyond tacky

mugwump67 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:21 pm

Saw an article last week that the unions plan to start attending these townhalls to keep the teabaggers in check. If they do, it should make for an interesting few days of cable coverage after the obligatory riot breaks out.

I'm a big supporter of health care reform, for both economic and ethical reasons. Our current system is flat-out broken and loaded with incentives to deny care to those who need it most. Telling the uninsured to use the ER's (as many of the baggers suggest) is not an acceptable option--its just stupid.

I've lived through what happens when you get sick while you're between insurance companies and it ain't pretty, and ain't fair. It ruins you both economically and spiritually. I had to go off my meds several times because I couldn't pay for them and ended up with a destroyed life in Chicago that resulted in my moving into my parent's basement in Toledo when I was 32. Had mental health parity and pre-existing condition portability been in place at the time, I might still be part of the economy.

The last thing you want someone who requires significant health care services/intervention to worry about is whether they can pay for their treatment. There have been many times in my life where I should have been hospitalized, and one of the reasons I didn't go was because I couldn't have afforded it.

We have to reform our system and put the insurance companies in check. That said, I'm not happy with how the reform has been handled so far. There are just too many things to consider and I don't believe that trying to get this done between Jan 20 and the end of August was responsible. If we pass reform, its going to be with us for a while, so it better be more right than wrong.

My biggest gripe about the Dems so far is that they're pushing back on tort reform. The liability/malpractice insurance risks for doctors are definitely helping to destroy the system. Some people die in hospitals, shit happens. If the doctor has made a dumb mistake or has been proved incompetent they should be sued into oblivion--otherwise we need to do reform a system that rewards plaintiffs with a windfall for "acts of god" at the physicians expense.

This has to happen, and it needs to be done right. I'm afraid the baggers have already won by dumbing down the conversation to a point where reasoned discussion is impossible. Their promotion of misleading information and downright lies is going to derail things if the moderate population of this country doesn't start taking them seriously and pushing back.

toots · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:47 pm

sure it's anecdotal evidence, but it seems like every time i go to the doctor or pharmacy i'm in line with a bunch of people complaining about their insurance not paying for shit anymore

mugwump67 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:52 pm

AAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
White House Confirms: Deal With Big Pharma Bars Price Negotiations
<insert line of random curses>

so whats up with these town hall meetings

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