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Up until last night, I'd never heard a single song from Phish. This is not to say that I'd never been around their music — having attended college in the Northeast, I'm more than certain that Phish had washed down my ear canal at some point — but I've always felt about them the way a vegetarian feels about Osso Bucco. I'm sure that's a lovely veal shank, and I can imagine why people love it so, but I don't order that kind of thing at a restaurant.

And, by and large, Phish is still not for me. But if you like Music — even if you've never driven a used Volvo, covered something with bumper stickers, owned several pairs of worn-down corduroys, attended an AP anything class, or smoked pot indoors with 20,000 people — you should see them play live at some point. Because Phish plays Music. All of it. At once. Every single kind you could ever think about. Bluegrass and classical and funk and arena rock and country and avant-garde jazz and Afro-Cuban and power pop and folk. Technically perfect. For four hours straight.

(But you must like Music. Not genres of music. Not D.C. hardcore, or East Coast rap, or Mancusian Brit pop. You must like all music. You cannot be an elitist prick who splits hairs.)

And you must like People (and to a lesser extent, Drugs and Computer-Controlled Lighting). Like a Hieronymus Bosch painting, People will be everywhere. Fat people jiggling like holy rollers, arms akimbo, clawing at the sky. Little dudes with glasses firing up bowls every five minutes. Dreadlocked girls twirling in slow circles, totally lost. Married couples groping furiously. (The babysitter came through!) Bathrooms, concourses, aisles, filled with writhing humanity, lit red then green then white, all doing a cross between "the swim" and the Carlton, screaming and throwing glow sticks. Ecstatic mobs hug and kiss each other for no reason other than Trey Anastasio played a minor C chord at the eight-minute mark of a jam. Alien, but intensely meaningful, somehow.

But more than anything else: You must not judge the Music, nor the People — no matter how embarrassed you may feel for yourself or for them — because that is not the Point. The Point is that everything is cool at a Phish show. The Point is no one can judge you here. (Or really, even arrest you: On my way in, I watched a security guard unzip a friend's purse, inadvertently finding the bag of weed she'd misplaced earlier in the evening, and wave her on through.)

The Point is that you go, you listen to four hours of music, you do whatever the hell you want, no one bothers you, and then you can repeat that experience for the rest of your life. I'm not going to, but everyone should go once.



http://www.esquire.com/blogs/endorsemen ... iew-120309

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Once was enough, I cut it short. No hate for the band, music or its people. It just seemed like a soulless experience at the time.


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Ecstatic mobs hug and kiss each other for no reason other than Trey Anastasio played a minor C chord at the eight-minute mark of a jam. Alien, but intensely meaningful, somehow.



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you should see them play live at some point. Because Phish plays Music. All of it. At once. Every single kind you could ever think about. Bluegrass and classical and funk and arena rock and country and avant-garde jazz and Afro-Cuban and power pop and folk.


I'm fairly certain Phish doesn't play death metal

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you should see them play live at some point. Because Phish plays Music. All of it. At once. Every single kind you could ever think about. Bluegrass and classical and funk and arena rock and country and avant-garde jazz and Afro-Cuban and power pop and folk.


I'm fairly certain Phish doesn't play death metal

They did specify "music".


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The people I knew in college who liked phish ruined any chance that I would like them, same for Pink Floyd. Anytime we did drugs they would just want to sit around and listen to Phish or the dead, or watch Pink Floyd's live at Pompei for the hundredth time.

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I cannot seem to like or enjoy Phish , although I have tried many times. Does the actual physical presence at a show add that much?

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i've been to a bob weir show and a rave, if i combine both those things in my mind I think it's close enough.

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Up until last night, I'd never heard a single song from Phish. This is not to say that I'd never been around their music — having attended college in the Northeast, I'm more than certain that Phish had washed down my ear canal at some point — but I've always felt about them the way a vegetarian feels about Osso Bucco. I'm sure that's a lovely veal shank, and I can imagine why people love it so, but I don't order that kind of thing at a restaurant.

And, by and large, Phish is still not for me. But if you like Music — even if you've never driven a used Volvo, covered something with bumper stickers, owned several pairs of worn-down corduroys, attended an AP anything class, or smoked pot indoors with 20,000 people — you should see them play live at some point. Because Phish plays Music. All of it. At once. Every single kind you could ever think about. Bluegrass and classical and funk and arena rock and country and avant-garde jazz and Afro-Cuban and power pop and folk. Technically perfect. For four hours straight.

(But you must like Music. Not genres of music. Not D.C. hardcore, or East Coast rap, or Mancusian Brit pop. You must like all music. You cannot be an elitist prick who splits hairs.)

And you must like People (and to a lesser extent, Drugs and Computer-Controlled Lighting). Like a Hieronymus Bosch painting, People will be everywhere. Fat people jiggling like holy rollers, arms akimbo, clawing at the sky. Little dudes with glasses firing up bowls every five minutes. Dreadlocked girls twirling in slow circles, totally lost. Married couples groping furiously. (The babysitter came through!) Bathrooms, concourses, aisles, filled with writhing humanity, lit red then green then white, all doing a cross between "the swim" and the Carlton, screaming and throwing glow sticks. Ecstatic mobs hug and kiss each other for no reason other than Trey Anastasio played a minor C chord at the eight-minute mark of a jam. Alien, but intensely meaningful, somehow.

But more than anything else: You must not judge the Music, nor the People — no matter how embarrassed you may feel for yourself or for them — because that is not the Point. The Point is that everything is cool at a Phish show. The Point is no one can judge you here. (Or really, even arrest you: On my way in, I watched a security guard unzip a friend's purse, inadvertently finding the bag of weed she'd misplaced earlier in the evening, and wave her on through.)

The Point is that you go, you listen to four hours of music, you do whatever the hell you want, no one bothers you, and then you can repeat that experience for the rest of your life. I'm not going to, but everyone should go once.



http://www.esquire.com/blogs/endorsemen ... iew-120309


Esquire blog... right... no used Volvos but a Mini Cooper in the garage and cheating on the income tax.... although this is also a music review that reads like a student paper from a suburban community college ...

The hippie dream... right.... lodged in the white middle class mostly... if you include all the Dead offshoots I have "gone" over 30 times... or maybe more...

Phish? I have "gone" at least 4-5 times.... my partner has Jam band tendencies so I hear recorded Phish concerts more frequently that I like....

I like sum it up with a Jerry/ Trey comparison... Jerry struggled, with a hunger, searching for apotheosis or resolution... he had death and chaos in his failing and he had bliss and transcendence ready to show at any point... Trey was/is self-satisfied, musically distant, showing off, not one single bit of sex or soul...

Been there, done that.... really, really don't need to "go" again, 'cause there is nothing there... empty, finished, irrelevant....

Oh, and I love all music... including death metal.

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To be fair Harry, he said you need to go once. Four times is enough to send most music fans over the deep end.

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To be fair Harry, he said you need to go once. Four times is enough to send most music fans over the deep end.


Point well taken. The review itself though was still community college in execution.

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nah, this still isnt going to sway me

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I cannot seem to like or enjoy Phish , although I have tried many times. Does the actual physical presence at a show add that much?


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The hippie dream... right.... lodged in the white middle class mostly... if you include all the Dead offshoots I have "gone" over 30 times... or maybe more...

I like sum it up with a Jerry/ Trey comparison... Jerry struggled, with a hunger, searching for apotheosis or resolution... he had death and chaos in his failing and he had bliss and transcendence ready to show at any point... Trey was/is self-satisfied, musically distant, showing off, not one single bit of sex or soul...


There are a number of things wrong with this...

A. Here's a news flash for you and your generation: not only are your experiences not more authentic or pure, they are less so because you feel the need to continually relive them and push them on everyone else.

B. Jerry was a junkie who played music for money and in fact played it quite badly on many many occasions. His soul was pure, sure but he never put his fat foot down to stop the madness and so he became a caricature of himself and his playing became a caricature of Jerry Garcia playing guitar.

C. Trey is 1000% more connected to both his music and especially his fans than Jerry ever was. Jerry never gave two shits about the fans.

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harry Wrote:
The hippie dream... right.... lodged in the white middle class mostly... if you include all the Dead offshoots I have "gone" over 30 times... or maybe more...

I like sum it up with a Jerry/ Trey comparison... Jerry struggled, with a hunger, searching for apotheosis or resolution... he had death and chaos in his failing and he had bliss and transcendence ready to show at any point... Trey was/is self-satisfied, musically distant, showing off, not one single bit of sex or soul...


There are a number of things wrong with this...

A. Here's a news flash for you and your generation: not only are your experiences not more authentic or pure, they are less so because you feel the need to continually relive them and push them on everyone else.

B. Jerry was a junkie who played music for money and in fact played it quite badly on many many occasions. His soul was pure, sure but he never put his fat foot down to stop the madness and so he became a caricature of himself and his playing became a caricature of Jerry Garcia playing guitar.

C. Trey is 1000% more connected to both his music and especially his fans than Jerry ever was. Jerry never gave two shits about the fans.


Yeah, that was very, very clear when I read about Parrish's book about the Dead. Garcia basically phoned it in from the mid-70s onwards. He was a sad man caught up in the machine and he medicated himself with ice cream and heroin until he mercifully died.

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actually by using your logic one could easily say...

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B. Keith was a junkie who played music for money and in fact played it quite badly on many many occasions. His soul was pure, sure but he never put his fat foot down to stop the madness and so he became a caricature of himself and his playing became a caricature of Keith Richards *playing guitar.



* see years 1982-present

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actually by using your logic one could easily say...

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B. Keith was a junkie who played music for money and in fact played it quite badly on many many occasions. His soul was pure, sure but he never put his fat foot down to stop the madness and so he became a caricature of himself and his playing became a caricature of Keith Richards *playing guitar.



* see years 1982-present


The problem with your "logic" is that by 1982 Keith was A. Clean and B> The driving force behind keeping the band together when Mick just wanted to make pop tunes.

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harry Wrote:
The hippie dream... right.... lodged in the white middle class mostly... if you include all the Dead offshoots I have "gone" over 30 times... or maybe more...

I like sum it up with a Jerry/ Trey comparison... Jerry struggled, with a hunger, searching for apotheosis or resolution... he had death and chaos in his failing and he had bliss and transcendence ready to show at any point... Trey was/is self-satisfied, musically distant, showing off, not one single bit of sex or soul...


There are a number of things wrong with this...

A. Here's a news flash for you and your generation: not only are your experiences not more authentic or pure, they are less so because you feel the need to continually relive them and push them on everyone else.

B. Jerry was a junkie who played music for money and in fact played it quite badly on many many occasions. His soul was pure, sure but he never put his fat foot down to stop the madness and so he became a caricature of himself and his playing became a caricature of Jerry Garcia playing guitar.

C. Trey is 1000% more connected to both his music and especially his fans than Jerry ever was. Jerry never gave two shits about the fans.


Ha. I fucking hate Deadheads and the whole scene. I did "then" and I do "now." So, although I'll be the Boomer Target if that's what you need, I was actually talking about music.

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sadly i've still never seen the stones in person, but when i see live footage keith always looks like he's playing some riff for the first time, surprised that two simple chords can be that awesome.

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sadly i've still never seen the stones in person, but when i see live footage keith always looks like he's playing some riff for the first time, surprised that two simple chords can be that awesome.


Exactly.

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jewels santana Wrote:
sadly i've still never seen the stones in person, but when i see live footage keith always looks like he's playing some riff for the first time, surprised that two simple chords can be that awesome.


I think he's more shocked that he played something right.

I saw the stones on the bridges to babylon tour, and keith started satisfaction, not just in the wrong key, but it looked like on the wrong string.

that's just all kinds of wrong and ridiculous.

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We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
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And know the place for the first time


Now, now, Harry- if you're serious about being the Boomer Target,as a minimum, trot out some Ferlinghetti, lest you be painted as constantly risking absurdity.

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Ha. I fucking hate Deadheads and the whole scene.


Me too (Phisheads too FWIW) .

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I like live Music and I like People, but not in such large doses. Some of Phish's music is cool, and so are some of it's fans. But with 4 hours of tunes and 20,000 people you're bound to experience something unlistenable and someone unbearable.

In all my years of loving music and going to hundreds to shows, I think I've only been to one non-fest show that was 3+hours and had more than a 1000 people. NIN and David Bowie in '95. It was ok.

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Ha. I fucking hate Deadheads and the whole scene.


Me too (Phisheads too FWIW) .


Ha! Wait until the grow up, get jobs, and become parrot heads.

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