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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:59 pm 
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Periods and representative albums... anyone?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:59 pm 
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The debut and a great collection of pop songs.

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One of the best albums of all-time, period. Perfect, beautiful orchestral pop. Backing band is, unbelievably (sounds nothing like them) members of Little Feat.

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Also essential. There are some elements of the abrasive on here, but then some very beautiful pieces, too. Mostly pretty, but then some nastiness... nice.

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Getting nastier. The cover of "Heartbreak Hotel" is insane and totally nasty.

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Aw shit, all the above are essential. Only Paris is purely beautiful. But you need them all.

That was a pretty useless post, huh?

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 Post subject: Re: Skool me on John Cale's solo output
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:04 pm 
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nah that was spot on... thanks.

Looks like I got work to do...

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there was a compilation a year or two highlighting his output from when he was on island. it's excellent as a partial history.


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also cale and eno

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 Post subject: Re: Skool me on John Cale's solo output
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Yep, PTodd covered it....

At one point I would have called Paris 1919 the best album ever made. I've listened to it in recent years and it's aged a bit. But still, if you love the idea that rock/pop matters.... Paris 1919 is crucial to know and listen to.

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Walking On Locusts

By no means essential, I actually enjoyed this. I had never heard a note from the album, but received it way back via a Lala trade.

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John Cale's first album of new songs in over a decade and his most accessible (nearly commercial!) album since Paris 1919, 1996's Walking On Locusts might take a couple of listens to sink in for those fans who prefer Cale's noisier work, but in its own low-key way, it's a satisfying listen. Indeed, the slick production actually works in the album's favor; much as they do on Steely Dan's later albums, the slick surfaces only barely hide the dry humor and mordant sarcasm of Cale's lyrics, as on the hyperactive "Crazy Egypt" and the tart "Indistinct Notion of Cool." Sometimes, as on the single "Dancing Undercover" and "Secret Corrida," the faux-Latin rhythms and arrangements overpower the songs a bit, but those are more than compensated for by the graceful beauty of "Set Me Free" and "Some Friends," a tender eulogy for Sterling Morrison, Cale's partner in the Velvet Underground, who had died the year before. (Velvets drummer Maureen Tucker guests on that track and two others.) Dave Soldier of the playfully experimental Soldier String Quartet contributes string arrangements to most of the songs, which furthers the comparisons to Paris 1919 and Cale's other early '70s work. Walking On Locusts is not up to the standards of that classic period, of course, but it's certainly worlds better than the albums that came out before Cale's decade-plus retirement from pop, the uninvolving Artificial Intelligence and the abysmal Caribbean Sunset.

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I think he was too fucked up for Helen of Troy, myself. There's a point where being high stops helping the creative output (see also: Honi Soit).

That said, I loved -Music For A New Society-, which is pretty much a howling vortex of madness in places. Solo Cale that I actually listen to is that, the Island years comp, edited down to a single album's worth, Paris 1919, and if I'm in a bad mood the -Sabotage- live album (punk as fuck from the viola player, who knew?).


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I know I'm in the minority about this, but Paris 1919 is my least favorite of the albums Todd listed. That's not to say that its not good though. Fear is probably my favorite followed by Vintage Violence. A used copy of the two disc Island Years (which has Fear, Helen of Troy and Slow Dazzle in their entirity) is probably a very good place to start.

Eno & Cale - Wrong Way Up is really catchy electro pop and probably my favorite Cale album. His 1990 tribute album to Warhol and reunion with Reed, Songs for Drella, is also excellent.

Music for a New Society is probably the best thing not mentioned by anyone yet but its pretty hard to find (at least in physical form) and not absolutely essential.

There are other worthwhile albums but that's probably much more than you need as a starting point.


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Thanks everyone - I will report back.


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Listened to Paris 1919 twice. Certainly not what I expected from Cale. The orchestration is beautiful but there is something that just doesn't click for me - e.g. dated organ sound (opening track)? It seems to grow on me. Not sure how much I would play this though. Gonna listen to it atleast one more time through.

Dig: The Endless Pain of Fortune, Paris 1919, Graham Greene (more in concept than realization), Antarctica Starts Here.

Next up: Fear.

Ok starting to move in the direction I would expect - but still not there. Stripped down and raw. There is an edge here that I expected but still more accessible than I thought his stuff would be.

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like traps for us the rats
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Dig: Buffalo Ballet, Gun, Emily, The Man Who Couldnt Afford to Orgy, You Know More Than I Do

Next up: Music for a New Society


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To me, the guy is not someone to take on lightly. He's not really a pop artist IMO.

I picked up Paris 1919 last year and listened to it several times before I really appreciated it. I mean, this is the same guy who co-wrote "Sister Ray". I liked it but it's clear this is a guy who was doing his own thing regardless of commercial appeal.

That said, "Hanky Panky Nohow" (sp?) has such a pretty melody that can get stuck in your head for days.

May have to check out "Fear" now.


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i'm also a big fan of Paris 1919


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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Andalucia is the most beautiful song ever written.

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Hmm - probably closer to what I expected from Cale (which means, I expected there would be stuff I wouldn't understand what he was trying to do with). But maybe a bit too sparse. Clearly I was very wrong about what his solo stuff would sound like.

Two brilliant, beautiful (or beautifully creepy songs): Close Watch, Taking Your Life in Your Hands.

next up: Sabotage live or Vintage Violence


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I love the falling apart steam contraption clamor of that version of Close Watch, though I think the 'Fragments of a Rainy Season' one from a much older, saner Cale is more popular.

You won't even hear the dated production on 1919 after a few more spins.


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Sabotage/Live

Some great songs on here : Captain Hook & Baby You Know in particular. I like the live raw and unprocessed sound....I dont know though- solid- nothing screams 'brilliant' by a long stretch....


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