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I'm surprised none of the Philly area posters mentioned this yesterday.
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I don't know if this makes Washington a playoff team this year, but it certainly them closer to being an 8-8 team.
I'm fully expecting the Eagles to fall flat this season.

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I don't know the fine print but unless the Eagles plan on using the cap room they made then this trade is laughable on several levels.

Trading an all-pro QB within the division is an unheard of level of fail.

Any Philly fan that say "good riddance" has simply lost all perspective and deserves a hex upon his team for 10 years.

Something about the whole thing just stinks and feels vindictive. I just can't decide who hates who more now.


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What the hell happened?

Any thoughts as to why? So... the eagles have vick and who?

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i'm not really invested in either philly or the skins but i would like to see mcnabb do well for another couple seasons. hopefully the skins can get some good receivers on their team.

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I never liked the Eagles and I hope McKnabb destroys them in the regular season.
Shanahan will take the throwing pressure off McKnabb and I think it'll improve his performance and hopefully get the guy some credit.


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What Derris said + Shanahan might make this the worst decision in NFL History. McNabb may not have 5 top years left, but I bet he has 3.

But, both of these teams can eat my asshole in hell.

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Its kinda funny because not even Skins fans are excited about this. You'd think that they would at least be excited to stick it to a rival. Sheesh, everyone's grumpy on this--Iggles fans and Skins fans.

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But, both of these teams can eat my asshole in hell.


I'm with you on this, Cowboy Fan.

My take: The Eagles are doing their "We're the JV Patriots" thing by getting rid of a guy at the "right" time. Personally, I don't like it because it's in the division, dude looks to still have a good bit of tread left on the tires and fuck, first Brian Dawkins and now this?

Maybe it works out and REE can make Kolb into a pro bowler. *shrug*. seems like a dumb move to me.

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Poor guy. Nobody deserves to play for WAS. Well, maybe Fred Smoot.

Favre better not retire, now that McNabb is off the market.


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I don't know. McNabb was overrated, and he's joining the grossly overrated Shanahan.

McNabb's accuracy was always inconsistent, but he was most effective when he could move the pocket with his feet. His mobility has decreased the last couple of years. And the the whole "he has terrible wide receivers" gave him cover for most of his career. He had receivers last year and he's looked worse. Not saying he's going to be awful. Just don't think he's going to light it up. Especially with Redskins.

Who knows what Kolb is going to do. When Favre left the Packers, I remember every talking head saying that Aaron Rodgers was obviously garbage because he failed to unseat Favre in first few years in the league. That's turned out pretty good for the Packers.

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Those of us who are in or near Philly (I'm 30 miles outside the city)....really we're just worn out on the topic of McNabb. The local sports media has spent the last 3 months tar and feathering the guy day in and day out. Literally, its the only thing they've talked about. I still personally like McNabb and still think he can be an effective quarterback, but I don't think Kolb will be a slouch either. Really though, the team has more pressing issues than QB (like their tattered offensive line and undersized linebackers).

But yeah, we've just been inundated with McNabb talk these past 3 months, and its grown more than tiring. Its time to move on.

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The real fail move was keeping Vick.

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Who knows what Kolb is going to do. When Favre left the Packers, I remember every talking head saying that Aaron Rodgers was obviously garbage because he failed to unseat Favre in first few years in the league. That's turned out pretty good for the Packers.


That's a 1/million shot. More QBs end up like David Carr or Kyle Boller


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Those of us who are in or near Philly (I'm 30 miles outside the city)....really we're just worn out on the topic of McNabb. The local sports media has spent the last 3 months tar and feathering the guy day in and day out. Literally, its the only thing they've talked about. I still personally like McNabb and still think he can be an effective quarterback, but I don't think Kolb will be a slouch either. Really though, the team has more pressing issues than QB (like their tattered offensive line and undersized linebackers).

But yeah, we've just been inundated with McNabb talk these past 3 months, and its grown more than tiring. Its time to move on.


3 months? Philly has been tearing apart McNabb for the last 11 years since they booed him on draft day.

And Tanner, I think you are being a little hard on McNabb (And why wouldn't you? You've got a Lombardi trophy in your town, just fucking kill everybody from now on): Dude has been the most consistent. QB in the NFC over the past decade. Has he come up short in some big spots? Sure. But he's gotten them into a lot of big spots as well.

I actually just heard that Kolb was balking at resigning unless they made some room...if they think he's the future and he's thinking about bolting, then yeah, it's probably better for both parties.

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Who knows what Kolb is going to do. When Favre left the Packers, I remember every talking head saying that Aaron Rodgers was obviously garbage because he failed to unseat Favre in first few years in the league. That's turned out pretty good for the Packers.


That's a 1/million shot. More QBs end up like David Carr or Kyle Boller


Somewhat agreed. I'm not saying Kolb will be Rodgers. Although both Carr and Boller started immediately out of college. The Eagles have seen Kolb in practice everyday against NFL players and preseason. They should have a better idea of what they have than what the Texans and Ravens did.

I'm saying that McNabb was merely good not great, and he's declined a little already. So getting rid of him even to a rival isn't that objectionable. He's had a decade to win a superbowl. It's not like they didn't give him enough chances.

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And Tanner, I think you are being a little hard on McNabb (And why wouldn't you? You've got a Lombardi trophy in your town, just fucking kill everybody from now on): Dude has been the most consistent. QB in the NFC over the past decade. Has he come up short in some big spots? Sure. But he's gotten them into a lot of big spots as well.
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I must admit the trophy does make it a lot easier to throw stones.

He has been consistent, I agree. And it's probably a little unfair to suggest that they haven't won a Superbowl because of him. I mean Freddie Mitchell was a starting WR for them at one point.

But I think his skill set is such that if he can't run, I don't think he's good enough with his arm. I think McNabb was the best running qb in the league. He used his feet to set-up the pass, but he was pass first. As opposed to Vick who was basically a running back. When Donovan took off he was still looking to throw. He doesn't move as well anymore, and I think this will only highlight that he has questionable accuracy. I think he'll still be effective, but he is playing for the Redskins in a tough division. Not sure he can be effective enough at this age on this team.

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Kingfish Wrote:
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Who knows what Kolb is going to do. When Favre left the Packers, I remember every talking head saying that Aaron Rodgers was obviously garbage because he failed to unseat Favre in first few years in the league. That's turned out pretty good for the Packers.


That's a 1/million shot. More QBs end up like David Carr or Kyle Boller


Somewhat agreed. I'm not saying Kolb will be Rodgers. Although both Carr and Boller started immediately out of college. The Eagles have seen Kolb in practice everyday against NFL players and preseason. They should have a better idea of what they have than what the Texans and Ravens did.

I'm saying that McNabb was merely good not great, and he's declined a little already. So getting rid of him even to a rival isn't that objectionable. He's had a decade to win a superbowl. It's not like they didn't give him enough chances.


This makes eminent sense to me and how I've seen the trade explained. They basically know what they have in McNabb. He's had a nice career and probably has a few good years left but the likelihood of him leading them to more than a 10-6 record with an early playoff exit is pretty unlikely now. Given that, why not gamble on someone else?


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And Tanner, I think you are being a little hard on McNabb (And why wouldn't you? You've got a Lombardi trophy in your town, just fucking kill everybody from now on): Dude has been the most consistent. QB in the NFC over the past decade. Has he come up short in some big spots? Sure. But he's gotten them into a lot of big spots as well.
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I must admit the trophy does make it a lot easier to throw stones.

He has been consistent, I agree. And it's probably a little unfair to suggest that they haven't won a Superbowl because of him. I mean Freddie Mitchell was a starting WR for them at one point.

But I think his skill set is such that if he can't run,I don't think he's good enough with his arm. I think McNabb was the best running qb in the league. He used his feet to set-up the pass, but he was pass first. As opposed to Vick who was basically a running back. When Donovan took off he was still looking to throw. He doesn't move as well anymore, and I think this will only highlight that he has questionable accuracy. I think he'll still be effective, but he is playing for the Redskins in a tough division. Not sure he can be effective enough at this age on this team.


That's all the Eagles had the last few years...McNabb's arm. They threw on almost every down and made it pretty far on that alone.


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McNabb was great, the greatest QB in Eagles history. It will pain me to see him in a Redskins uniform. It's probably a good move for the Eagles in the long run, although I doubt McNabb is in any way done. I think if there was any market for Vick, they might have kept McNabb. Ultimately, though, the Eagles are really high on Kevin Kolb, and now we'll see if they're right.

On the flip side, I don't see how this really makes sense for the Redskins. Jason Campbell is not that bad. Their O-line sucks. Are you better off with Campbell and a second round pick and building, or getting 3-4 years out of McNabb.


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Kolb is certainly not a sure thing, but he is the first QB in the history of the NFL to throw for over 300 yards in his first two games, one of which was against the future superbowl winner (the other against *cough* the chiefs)

I have no idea if it's the right thing, but i'm incredibly curious to see Andy without McNabb and McNabb without Andy.

It's a shame they finally build an explosive offense for McNabb and now they ship him off. But that said, he shit the bed with that offense when it was most important.

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On the flip side, I don't see how this really makes sense for the Redskins. Jason Campbell is not that bad. Their O-line sucks. Are you better off with Campbell and a second round pick and building, or getting 3-4 years out of McNabb.


I'll take 3 - 4 years out of McNabb in a heartbeat. The Skins don't get McNabb and they end up drafting that little buttsucker out of Notre Rape Me In The Ass Father May I Have Another Dame. Now they can draft solid talent for the O-line, jettison Portis and use Parker and Johnson as another take on Thunder and Lightening.

Campbell is not *that* bad, but he's not *that* good yet either. If he's smart, he sits down with Shanny who tells him "Look kid, last year was not a success...you're still young and now you can learn directly from a perrenial pro-bowler. Do this right, and your career is secure, if not you can go start for Al Davis."

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But I think his skill set is such that if he can't run, I don't think he's good enough with his arm. I think McNabb was the best running qb in the league. He used his feet to set-up the pass, but he was pass first. As opposed to Vick who was basically a running back. When Donovan took off he was still looking to throw. He doesn't move as well anymore, and I think this will only highlight that he has questionable accuracy. I think he'll still be effective, but he is playing for the Redskins in a tough division. Not sure he can be effective enough at this age on this team.


His last three seasons have been the 2nd, 3rd and 4th most accurate of his career (his most accurate was, not surprisingly, 2004 when he was A. healthy and B. had TO to throw to) in terms of completion percentage. And while you may very well be right about McNabb, who's not to say he might be capable of putting up a season like Randall Cunningham did in Minnesota when people had written him off because he was no longer mobile.

And what's a football argument without a cliche? The quarterback position in the National Football League is played more between the ears than with the legs or arm and the dude has been around a long time.

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Kolb is certainly not a sure thing, but he is the first QB in the history of the NFL to throw for over 300 yards in his first two games, one of which was against the future superbowl winner (the other against *cough* the chiefs)
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