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I'm curious as to the Obnerpinion of this.

On the one hand, we are very tolerant of other cultures here.

On the other, we worship pop culture entertainment.

Oh the conundrum...
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By ROSS DOUTHAT
Published: April 25, 2010

Two months before 9/11, Comedy Central aired an episode of “South Park” entitled “Super Best Friends,” in which the cartoon show’s foul-mouthed urchins sought assistance from an unusual team of superheroes. These particular superfriends were all religious figures: Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mormonism’s Joseph Smith, Taoism’s Lao-tse — and the Prophet Muhammad, depicted with a turban and a 5 o’clock shadow, and introduced as “the Muslim prophet with the powers of flame.”

That was a more permissive time. You can’t portray Muhammad on American television anymore, as South Park’s creators, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, discovered in 2006, when they tried to parody the Danish cartoon controversy — in which unflattering caricatures of the prophet prompted worldwide riots — by scripting another animated appearance for Muhammad. The episode aired, but the cameo itself was blacked out, replaced by an announcement that Comedy Central had refused to show an image of the prophet.

For Parker and Stone, the obvious next step was to make fun of the fact that you can’t broadcast an image of Muhammad. Two weeks ago, “South Park” brought back the “super best friends,” but this time Muhammad never showed his face. He “appeared” from inside a U-Haul trailer, and then from inside a mascot’s costume.

These gimmicks then prompted a writer for the New York-based Web site revolutionmuslim.com to predict that Parker and Stone would end up like Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker murdered in 2004 for his scathing critiques of Islam. The writer, an American convert to Islam named Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, didn’t technically threaten to kill them himself. His post, and the accompanying photo of van Gogh’s corpse, was just “a warning ... of what will likely happen to them.”

This passive-aggressive death threat provoked a swift response from Comedy Central. In last week’s follow-up episode, the prophet’s non-appearance appearances were censored, and every single reference to Muhammad was bleeped out. The historical record was quickly scrubbed as well: The original “Super Best Friends” episode is no longer available on the Internet.

In a way, the muzzling of “South Park” is no more disquieting than any other example of Western institutions’ cowering before the threat of Islamist violence. It’s no worse than the German opera house that temporarily suspended performances of Mozart’s opera “Idomeneo” because it included a scene featuring Muhammad’s severed head. Or Random House’s decision to cancel the publication of a novel about the prophet’s third wife. Or Yale University Press’s refusal to publish the controversial Danish cartoons ... in a book about the Danish cartoon crisis. Or the fact that various Western journalists, intellectuals and politicians — the list includes Oriana Fallaci in Italy, Michel Houellebecq in France, Mark Steyn in Canada and Geert Wilders in the Netherlands — have been hauled before courts and “human rights” tribunals, in supposedly liberal societies, for daring to give offense to Islam.

But there’s still a sense in which the “South Park” case is particularly illuminating. Not because it tells us anything new about the lines that writers and entertainers suddenly aren’t allowed to cross. But because it’s a reminder that Islam is just about the only place where we draw any lines at all.

Across 14 on-air years, there’s no icon “South Park” hasn’t trampled, no vein of shock-comedy (sexual, scatalogical, blasphemous) it hasn’t mined. In a less jaded era, its creators would have been the rightful heirs of Oscar Wilde or Lenny Bruce — taking frequent risks to fillet the culture’s sacred cows.

In ours, though, even Parker’s and Stone’s wildest outrages often just blur into the scenery. In a country where the latest hit movie, “Kick-Ass,” features an 11-year-old girl spitting obscenities and gutting bad guys while dressed in pedophile-bait outfits, there isn’t much room for real transgression. Our culture has few taboos that can’t be violated, and our establishment has largely given up on setting standards in the first place.

Except where Islam is concerned. There, the standards are established under threat of violence, and accepted out of a mix of self-preservation and self-loathing.

This is what decadence looks like: a frantic coarseness that “bravely” trashes its own values and traditions, and then knuckles under swiftly to totalitarianism and brute force.

Happily, today’s would-be totalitarians are probably too marginal to take full advantage. This isn’t Weimar Germany, and Islam’s radical fringe is still a fringe, rather than an existential enemy.

For that, we should be grateful. Because if a violent fringe is capable of inspiring so much cowardice and self-censorship, it suggests that there’s enough rot in our institutions that a stronger foe might be able to bring them crashing down.

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 Post subject: Re: South Park Censorship
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:19 am 
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I think it's bullshit mainly because I oppose all censorship and think that knuckling under to any institution, especially an organized religion, represents a mark in the loss column for those who value intellectual freedom.

Further, fuck those heretics with their pre-stone age values, fuck comedy central and it's cowering-in-fear lawyers, fuck people who don't think we should hold trials for the people who attacked us in NYC and fuck most of you just for being you.

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I'm okay with Comedy Central doing it because they are free to censor whatever they want, but it's fairly hypocritical and cowardly of them.

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Further, fuck those heretics with their pre-stone age values, fuck comedy central and it's cowering-in-fear lawyers, fuck people who don't think we should hold trials for the people who attacked us in NYC and fuck most of you just for being you.


this, pretty much word for word.


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(These do not reflect the opinions of MAX TARDCORE, nor should they be read in his voice. Read it in the voice of a Teabagger; if you need an image, this guy.)

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Further, fuck those heretics with their pre-stone age values,


Suck it, diaper-headed foreigners they keep letting into our country. Ungrateful, food-stamping Mohammads. You make me want to make you dance -- to the tune of automatic-weapon fire.

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fuck comedy central and it's cowering-in-fear lawyers,


You too, effete East Coast liberal... Jews. Take a page from your brethren in the Holy Land, maybe, & rain bombs on those people?

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fuck people who don't think we should hold trials for the people who attacked us in NYC...


Ok. I'll admit: you lost me here. I thought you were a REAL AMERICAN, but now I just see you're just some stooge, sitting in your own ivory tower...


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(Actually, Eric Holder's effort to launch Khaled Sheik Mohammad's trial in NYC is the only thing with which I agree. But like his AG predecessor in a Democratic administration (Janet Reno), I have a feeling EH is too accomodating (to his foes in the Republic Party) for our own good.)


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disappointing at the very best.

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Dalen Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:

Further, fuck those heretics with their pre-stone age values, fuck comedy central and it's cowering-in-fear lawyers, fuck people who don't think we should hold trials for the people who attacked us in NYC and fuck most of you just for being you.


this, pretty much word for word.


Other than the fact that I've never seen an episode of South Park, I tend to agree. Especially with the last phrase.


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That's still "tairists", sport.


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Yail Bloor Wrote:
I think it's bullshit mainly because I oppose all censorship and think that knuckling under to any institution, especially an organized religion, represents a mark in the loss column for those who value intellectual freedom.


This is totally on the mark. And don't think the American Taliban aren't taking notes on this shit.


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A Vanderbilt student's take on it:

Mike Warren - Vandy senior Wrote:
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'South Park' censorship: Free speech fight
By Mike Warren
Published Apr. 25, 2010. 805 views


Muhammad. Or Mohammed, if you prefer. Whichever way you spell or say the name of the prophet of Allah, know you are getting away with what Comedy Central believes should be censored.

The April 14 episode of South Park featured the prophet Muhammad, who is never actually seen since he spends the episode either hidden in a U-Haul or disguised in a bear costume. The depiction references a 2006 episode censored by Comedy Central. Ironically, that episode was satirizing the violent reaction from Muslims to a cartoon depicting Muhammad in a Danish newspaper. Even more ironically, a 2001 episode of South Park actually did depict Muhammad in a parody of “The Super Friends.”

After the airing of the episode with Muhammad in a bear costume, radical Islamist group Revolution Muslim posted on its website that the creators of South Park will “probably end up like Theo van Gogh,” the Dutch filmmaker who was murdered by a radical Islamist for his film, which was critical of Islam.

As a result, Comedy Central heavily censored the April 21 follow-up episode. The network bleeped out every verbal reference to Muhammad as well as the last two minutes or so of dialogue, presumably for its criticism of Comedy Central-esque censorship. Creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone later posted on their studio’s website, which streams every South Park episode, that they did not have approval to stream this episode.

Comedy Central’s actions were disgraceful and cowardly. The network has every right to determine what it does and doesn’t show on its broadcast, but it certainly doesn’t shy away from letting other religious figures get far worse South Park treatments. Parker and Stone deftly pointed this out last week by showing Krishna snorting cocaine and Jesus Christ surfing Internet porn. Hear that? That’s the sound of Hindus and Christians not responding to criticism or mockery with threats of violence.

Muslims worldwide have a problem because their religion is swiftly becoming free from criticism. We aren’t arguing the merits of, say, the treatment of women or gays in Islamic republics; instead, we are stuck in a discussion about whether allowing the criticism of Islam is right, or even more crudely, whether doing so is worth it against the threat of terrorism and violence. Do we only criticize those who won’t threaten to kill us?

Moderate Islam needs to speak louder in opposition to its radical ideologies (medieval in practice but 20th century in origin), but we in the West ought to be standing up for our values. Not doing so is not only wrong, but it leaves people like van Gogh, Parker and Stone more vulnerable to violence.

In a creative and funny way, South Park, Parker and Stone have taken their stand on the side of the freedom of expression. As Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a 2008 IMPACT speaker who wrote the film for which van Gogh was killed, said on CNN last week, this is a freedom we have to “defend tooth and nail” against these enemies of freedom. But with friends like Comedy Central, who needs enemies?

—Mike Warren is a senior in the College of Arts and Science.


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discostu Wrote:
A Vanderbilt student's take on it:

Mike Warren - Vandy senior Wrote:

We aren’t arguing the merits of, say, the treatment of women or gays in Islamic republics; instead, we are stuck in a discussion about whether allowing the criticism of Islam is right, or even more crudely, whether doing so is worth it against the threat of terrorism and violence. Do we only criticize those who won’t threaten to kill us?



This is the point I liked best of what he said. We can debate and skewer any other religion in the world, but somehow one of the more strident religions and one of the few where many nations are ruled in accordance with religious laws that strip citizens of basic human rights is somehow above reproach? Yeah, that's bullshit.

I say we need to start circulating spam emails with a cartoon of Muhammad taking it up the ass until they go viral. I really see no other alternative. C'mon, I know we got some artists on here...start drawing.


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I say we need to start circulating spam emails with a cartoon of Muhammad taking it up the ass until they go viral. I really see no other alternative. C'mon, I know we got some artists on here...start drawing.

I hate to agree with you, but that's a kernel of an idea with merit.


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Eh...you know, broken clocks and all.


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As much as I'd love to draw that, I've got a family to think about.


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Yail Bloor Wrote:
I think it's bullshit mainly because I oppose all censorship and think that knuckling under to any institution, especially an organized religion, represents a mark in the loss column for those who value intellectual freedom.


This is totally on the mark. And don't think the American Taliban aren't taking notes on this shit.



Yep.

I defer to Christopher Hitchens on this topic. http://www.slate.com/id/2225504/

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i totally agree with yail et al on this one. however, it's hard for my cynical mind to imagine a bunch of tv execs and their general counsel sitting around a boardroom deciding that the risk/benefit analysis of this would add up to a different decision.

nobody is probably on the right track here. courage from corporations and governments is almost extinct...taking down fundamentalism is going to have to start from the ground up.

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As much as I'd love to draw that, I've got a family to think about.


Pussy.

Where's cats? He's batshit crazy.


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Drinky Wrote:
As much as I'd love to draw that, I've got a family to think about.


Pussy.


i mean, it's not like you have to sign it.

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And what is this


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Yeah, besides, the point would be not to have ONE blasphemous cartoon but a FLOOD of them. Thousands and thousands of depictions of Mohammed starring in his own version of "The Aristocrats", sucking on camel dick while being sodomized by goats while fisting Bin Laden etc. There can't be a single source for the extremists to blame - just instead a general widespread mocking of their most profound beliefs.*






* and isn't that the very definition of the internet?


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yes exactly

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