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I admit I always just kind of dismissed them as a lesser Meat Puppets. But, I picked up and am really enjoying the new J. Mascis solo record so I am ready to reasses and do some listening. Who wants to make some comments and/or suggestions?j


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I think many will recommend You're Living All Over Me and/or Bug, which are both great, but many times I lean toward this gem, which was basically a J. solo record:

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After temporarily suspending the band, J Mascis first snuck out "The Wagon" as a Sub Pop single, then a little while later released the group's first major-label album, Green Mind. More of a solo project than a group effort -- Lou Barlow was out and then some, Murph only drums on three tracks, a few guests pop up here and there -- it's still a great album, recorded and performed with gusto. Such a judgment may seem strange given Mascis' legendary image as the überslacker, but clearly the man knows how to balance how to convey himself with getting the job done. "The Wagon" itself kicks off the album, an even quicker and nuttier sequel to the peerless "Freak Scene" -- Don Fleming of Gumball fame adds some of the music and background vocals, but otherwise it's Mascis and Murph cranking it and having a blast. When Mascis goes into one of his patented over-the-top solos, it all feels just right -- this is loud rock music for putting a smile on your face, not beating up people in a pit. The remainder of the album floats and rumbles along in its uniquely Dinosaur Jr. type of way, as apt to find poppy hooks, singalongs, and soft strumming as it is to blow out the Marshalls. Sublime moments include the contrast of sweet acoustic guitar and loud drums on "Blowing It," the fun thrash of "How'd You Pin That One on Me," and the Mellotron-as-flute-tinged stomp "Thumb." If nothing on the album is completely as freaked-out and over the top as "Don't" from Bug, it's still a fine translation of Mascis' art for the commercial big boys. The song titles alone sometime say it all -- "Puke + Cry," "I Live for That Look," "Muck." Mascis throughout sounds like his usual self, cracked drawl ever as it was and shall be.

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I think many will recommend You're Living All Over Me and/or Bug


Count me among the many. I think both of those records are way better than Green Mind.


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By the time Where You Been surfaced, Seattle had completely exploded, and given that Dinosaur Jr.'s sound, attitude, and more were as proto-slacker as could be, the temptation must have been great to cash in. But J Mascis stuck to his guns, and there's little about Where You Been that would have seemed out of place on Green Mind or even some earlier records. Recorded with a full band throughout, Mike Johnson and Murph lay down does-the-job rhythm tracks while Mascis tackles almost everything else. Where You Been is occasionally moody and dark but otherwise is more rough fun. Opening track "Out There" is one of the most mournful things Mascis has recorded, with an especially yearning chorus, but his fiery solo still makes it classic Dinosaur Jr. "Start Choppin" immediately follows, its quick, catchy lead riff helping to make it as close to a radio hit as the band ever had -- and, of course, a big ol' solo or two adding to the fun of it all. From there on in it's a puréed blast of punk, classic rock, and more. It may be business as usual, but it's good business just the same, whether it's the gentle "Not the Same," on which Mascis does his best Neil Young impersonation, or the stuttering feedback snorts and rips on "Hide," on which he borrows a bit back from disciple Kevin Shields. Other highlights include "Get Me," a melancholic, steady cruncher with another trademark solo of the gods, and the unjustly ignored "What Else Is New," which sounds like a mid-'70s rock ballad with louder volume and none of the crud, right down to the concluding string section.
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My introduction and sentimental favorite. Never top "Start Choppin'".

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Where You Been is by far my favorite Dino Jr.


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I think many will recommend You're Living All Over Me and/or Bug


Count me among the many.

The self-titled debut has some pretty great moments, too.

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I think many will recommend You're Living All Over Me and/or Bug, which are both great, but many times I lean toward this gem, which was basically a J. solo record:

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After temporarily suspending the band, J Mascis first snuck out "The Wagon" as a Sub Pop single, then a little while later released the group's first major-label album, Green Mind. More of a solo project than a group effort -- Lou Barlow was out and then some, Murph only drums on three tracks, a few guests pop up here and there -- it's still a great album, recorded and performed with gusto. Such a judgment may seem strange given Mascis' legendary image as the überslacker, but clearly the man knows how to balance how to convey himself with getting the job done. "The Wagon" itself kicks off the album, an even quicker and nuttier sequel to the peerless "Freak Scene" -- Don Fleming of Gumball fame adds some of the music and background vocals, but otherwise it's Mascis and Murph cranking it and having a blast. When Mascis goes into one of his patented over-the-top solos, it all feels just right -- this is loud rock music for putting a smile on your face, not beating up people in a pit. The remainder of the album floats and rumbles along in its uniquely Dinosaur Jr. type of way, as apt to find poppy hooks, singalongs, and soft strumming as it is to blow out the Marshalls. Sublime moments include the contrast of sweet acoustic guitar and loud drums on "Blowing It," the fun thrash of "How'd You Pin That One on Me," and the Mellotron-as-flute-tinged stomp "Thumb." If nothing on the album is completely as freaked-out and over the top as "Don't" from Bug, it's still a fine translation of Mascis' art for the commercial big boys. The song titles alone sometime say it all -- "Puke + Cry," "I Live for That Look," "Muck." Mascis throughout sounds like his usual self, cracked drawl ever as it was and shall be.


I am far from an authority on DJ, but this is my favorite as well.

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Bug is where it's at for me. It was my entry point. I basically left them behind after Where You Been.



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obner compilation time...

for the record, feel the pain is still one of my favorite singles from the 90s alterbuzzfuckmovement

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I do fondly remember that song although I usually forget it is them.


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Green Mind rules, as well as Bug.

stoked to see them with Yuck on tour.


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Stone Wrote:
I think many will recommend You're Living All Over Me and/or Bug, which are both great, but many times I lean toward this gem, which was basically a J. solo record:

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After temporarily suspending the band, J Mascis first snuck out "The Wagon" as a Sub Pop single, then a little while later released the group's first major-label album, Green Mind. More of a solo project than a group effort -- Lou Barlow was out and then some, Murph only drums on three tracks, a few guests pop up here and there -- it's still a great album, recorded and performed with gusto. Such a judgment may seem strange given Mascis' legendary image as the überslacker, but clearly the man knows how to balance how to convey himself with getting the job done. "The Wagon" itself kicks off the album, an even quicker and nuttier sequel to the peerless "Freak Scene" -- Don Fleming of Gumball fame adds some of the music and background vocals, but otherwise it's Mascis and Murph cranking it and having a blast. When Mascis goes into one of his patented over-the-top solos, it all feels just right -- this is loud rock music for putting a smile on your face, not beating up people in a pit. The remainder of the album floats and rumbles along in its uniquely Dinosaur Jr. type of way, as apt to find poppy hooks, singalongs, and soft strumming as it is to blow out the Marshalls. Sublime moments include the contrast of sweet acoustic guitar and loud drums on "Blowing It," the fun thrash of "How'd You Pin That One on Me," and the Mellotron-as-flute-tinged stomp "Thumb." If nothing on the album is completely as freaked-out and over the top as "Don't" from Bug, it's still a fine translation of Mascis' art for the commercial big boys. The song titles alone sometime say it all -- "Puke + Cry," "I Live for That Look," "Muck." Mascis throughout sounds like his usual self, cracked drawl ever as it was and shall be.


Green Mind is the one I reach for the most too. I think his solo album, Free So Free, is better than any D. Jr. album. I'm completely in the minority in that viewpoint though.


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My introduction and sentimental favorite. Never top "Start Choppin'".

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i think i'm one of the few people who prefers post-barlow dinosaur jr.


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Stop Breathin' Wrote:
My introduction and sentimental favorite. Never top "Start Choppin'".

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Mine too, and it set off a love affair that lasted ten years or so. I think I'd rank the albums as such:

You're Living All Over Me
Green Mind
Bug
Dinosaur
Where You Been
Hand It Over
Without a Sound

I've actually never heard Beyond. By then I was pretty indifferent. Same case with Farm, though I think I did download it.


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farm and beyond are pretty solid...

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I think many will recommend You're Living All Over Me and/or Bug


Count me among the many. I think both of those records are way better than Green Mind.



Count me among the many, Green Mind is pretty boring outside of The Wagon.

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So like... I should just listen to everything?

I stumbled across the Ear-Bleeding Country. I'm gonna give Green Mind a shot and then try this.


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I guess to satisfy both camps, start with both You're Living All Over Me and Green Mind.

But I promise you YLAOM is the better album. I pretty much agree with jewels about GM.


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Green Mind has a hell of a cover.

That's all I can contribute to this thread. That, and I went to the bar a couple years ago while Dino Jr was playing next door and everybody there was dressed straight out of 1996. It was kind of a trip.


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I guess to satisfy both camps, start with both You're Living All Over Me and Green Mind.

But I know well enough not to promise you anything.

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farm and beyond are pretty solid...


I prefer Farm but definitely. These aren't where I'd start but these are solid additions to their catalog.

Hard to believe there was actually a cultural environment where "Start Choppin" was a rock radio hit.


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Yeah, listening to some of this stuff and some Meat Puppets yesterday had me a bit nostalgic. Damn, the 90s really did love them some guitars.


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Lo-fi.

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Not necessarily.


What I heard was.

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