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 Post subject: 168 Seconds of Silence (OKC Revisited)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:18 pm 
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Hard to believe that this was 10 full years ago. I was sitting in the lobby of my hotel this morning half-paying attention when I heard some guy say "Can't they call him THE FORMER President"? when Clin-Ton was announced.

I could throw a sly jab at Bush for not being there (he's only concerned with brown skin terrorists? He thought Texas had annexed Oklahoma already?) But I wil refrain, and instead just remark that this thing really was one of the more fucked up happenings of our time, and that there are MANY unasnwered questions.

and, in our "Where were you"? culture, I will state that I was in gym class on acid when a friend of mine came out of the locker room and said that some weird shit had gone down in OKC.

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God I love this album. But it's only 10 in 2007.


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i have no idea where i was. i can tell you where i was when the challenger exploded, when Magic announced that he had HIV and when OJ was aquitted. I assume that it was a weekday and that I was at schoo.


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God I love this album. But it's only 10 in 2007.


The Bends is better. :P

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 Post subject: Re: 168 Seconds of Silence (OKC Revisited)
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Senator Dis Soff LooGAR Wrote:

and, in our "Where were you"? culture,...


I don't even remember, for some reason. I can't think of why not, it was such a big deal. Time-wise, probably either in class at college or at the job I had just started 2 months before, which I was to work part-time for 6 more years. Probably work, because we didn't listen to the news... woulda found out later.


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I was in Tulsa working at the Williams towers... Not only saddened about what just happened, but a little freaked out to be on the 29th floor of the largest building in Oklahoma and no one knew exactly what was going on at that point.

Hard to believe it's been 10 years. If you're ever driving through OKC, it's worthwhile to stop by the memorial. Very tastefully done, and the "chair display" with the smaller ones symbolizing the children really brings home how senseless it was.


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this is one of my favorite conspriacies....


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scottycash99 Wrote:
this is one of my favorite conspriacies....


Care to elaborate..I love a good conspiracy, even though I know that 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/OKC-index.html


here are some links to my favs...


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I was asleep in my dorm room at a college about 15 miles north of the Murrah Building...the blast woke me up...but when I looked out my window all I saw was a sunny April morning...so I figured it was a crazy dream or the guys down the hall wrecking shit or something, and I just went back to bed...woke up about an hour later, turned on the TV and saw all the chaos

and yea, the memorial is pretty good, esp. at night


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I was soundly sleeping under the effectacy of antisthetic. Dr. Hibbart (no foolin'!) was reconstructing my right knee. I didn't hear all the hub-bub till 4/20, duuude.


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i have no idea where i was when i heard, but i do remember discussing it thoroughly in history the next day.

in the last few days, i've heard all sorts of good things about the memorial. i have no other reason to go to okc, though.


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I was at work at Radio Shack ( shaddup ) - everyone in the mall was coming in cuz we were the only TV's around. My manager was pissed at me cuz I was watching & not working...but I was riding out my 2 week notice at that point, so he couldn't do anything about it.


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i really don't remember exactly where i was either. it was the semester i was at the university of montana, where i think i was high the entire time, so that could explain things.


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i was walking in to my english calss when my teacher said something about Oklahoma and a bomb. I laughed because i thought to myself "How'd wanna bomb Oklahoma?" The teacher yelled at me saying "that's nothing to laugh about". I proceeded to watch the coverage in her class and apologized. I didn't really know what was going on when i was hit with the info but i do know that it still bugs me that the teacher thought that i really found it funny. It just didn't register and seemed so absurd.

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don't know where i was but i'm sure i was sticky and handing out juice boxes.


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Don't remember. In New Jersey, at a guess.
I do remember that there was a big debate about showing bodies in newsmagazines and on tv, which media still was deciding where they stood on tasteful/truthful I guess. I remember the pictures being pretty horrifying, but I'm pretty sensitive that way.


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I think that I was on spring break, watching coverage of the Boston Marathon, which was interrupted for coverage of the bombing, just as it had been interrupted for coverage of the Waco shit one year (two years?three?) before.

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I like to keep up with current events and the like, but this was April 1995 and I had about 20 days of school left in my Senior year. I was out having some damn fun and didn't realize the magnitude until some time later.

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Challenger: Playing hookie and watching live on TV
Ok City: Sales conference in Chicago. We found out during an evening break because security was at the doors to our conference room and padded us all down when we re-entered. There was a brief announcement about a bombing in Oklahoma.


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DHRjericho Wrote:
i was walking in to my english calss when my teacher said something about Oklahoma and a bomb. I laughed because i thought to myself "How'd wanna bomb Oklahoma?" The teacher yelled at me saying "that's nothing to laugh about". I proceeded to watch the coverage in her class and apologized. I didn't really know what was going on when i was hit with the info but i do know that it still bugs me that the teacher thought that i really found it funny. It just didn't register and seemed so absurd.


Similar story on Sept. 11. I walked onto the floor and someone told me a plane had just hit the WTC. My first thought was, "Cool, some retard doctor just killed himself in a Cessna."


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Challenger: watching live on TV.

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I honestly can't remember now. my memory of high school is poor to quite poor.


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If you're ever driving through OKC, it's worthwhile to stop by the memorial.

I did that two years ago while driving cross country.

You always hear about the memorial, but I never knew there was a full museum as well. And it is devastating.

First, you get some general info about the history of the Murrah building and a section on how little we, the public, really knew about terrorism on U.S. soil in those days--for instance, there had been nearly 200 terrorist incidents in the U.S. in the preceding ten years, things like abortion clinic bombings and hate group activities. The museum is then laid out chronologically, starting with what was going on around Oklahoma City and in the Murrah Building that morning. The last thing you see in this section is a wall-size freeze frame from a hotel security camera down the street of a Ryder truck passing by.

You are then sent into a small conference room, a mock-up of one a block or so away where, on that morning, a 9:00 a.m. conference was just starting. Someone taped it, and you listen to the first several minutes of the actual meeting until you hear the explosion. At which point the lights go out, and one wall lights up with pictures of all the dead.

The doors on the other end of the conference room automatically open, and you are sent out into a cacaphony of voices, sirens, helicopters and news reports coming out of speakers all around you. Monitors hung throughout this wing show you the earliest local news reports of the blast, then that horrible traffic helicopter shot as it rounds the building for the first time.

Further on you get interviews with survivors describing the scene--one woman tells of a meeting in her office when, in a flash, her desk, the wall, the floor, and all of the other people in the room were just...gone. All around you are display cases filled with shattered office equipment, or dozens of shoes, or toys, or broken eyeglasses--some identified with the owner's name if it's known. Overhead runs some 20 feet or so of steel girder, cruelly bent out of shape. Crumpled metal filing cabinets here; there, a massive stained glass window frame from the church around the corner, the glass gone, the wood splintered.

The museum is in the building across the street from the Murrah Building, set back from the road by a parking lot that is the only reason this building wasn't gutted, too. On the outside, they've shored up the damage but left the scars visible. Inside, now incorporated into the museum, they've kept one room that directly faced the blast exactly as it lay, a men's restroom turned into a demolition site of bricks, twisted metal and shattered porcelain.

It's been two years since I visited and I'm still chocking up a bit while writing this. What a piece of work is man.


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