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Did this already get posted? I looked but didn't see anything. He took out a full page ad in the Chicago Tribune saying he's going to restart the Smashing Pumpkins.

You can see the ad at their website http://www.chicagotribune.com


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his solo album is that fucking bad?

is he gonna get the original band members? or should we keep an eye out for Korean Democracy in 2046?

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They haven't been broken up long enough for anyone to care. Plus, didn't their last album together bomb? I never heard it but no one really talked about it.

The fact that he took out a full-page ad is really funny for some reason. Maybe he's anticipating poor sales of 'The Future Embrace.'


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I wonder if he's going to revive the Billy Corgan that could write good songs, too...

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He needs to get back together with Butch Vig, or someone that can make his music sound not-inhumanly-metallic.

Gish was a uniquely warm record, and Siamese Dream had one consistent tone throughout it. Mellon Collie sounded dead in comparison, and by the time they got to Machina, they forgot what the Pumpkins sounded like. Flood and Alan Moulder are bad fits. Billy likes them because they encourage artists to indulge their excesses and record every idea they have as if they were all brilliant song scraps waiting for release.


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The same letter was in the Sun-Times today, too.
It was a nice letter.
Seemed heartfelt.
And frankly, I don't care why he's doing it. It's his career and his music and how he wants to present it is just fine with me.

Seems like one of those "big rock stars" that is still making music for the love of it. Even if I don't like what he's making. Good for him.

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From billboard.com :

Smashing Pumpkins To Reunite?

By Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

Smashing Pumpkins leader Billy Corgan's solo debut, "TheFutureEmbrace," hits stores today (June 21). But fans in his hometown of Chicago were greeted with a full-page ad in this morning's Chicago Tribune and Sun-Times announcing the artist's intentions to "renew and revive" the Pumpkins, more than four years after the seminal alternative rock act's final show.

"I want my band back, and my songs, and my dreams," Corgan wrote, but revealed no further details about which, if any, original members would be involved.

The Pumpkins -- Corgan, guitarist James Iha, bassist D'arcy Wretzky (who was eventually replaced by Melissa Auf Der Maur) and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin -- split after a Dec. 2, 2000, show at Chicago's Metro. The band issued five studio albums that spawned such enduring rock radio staples as "Disarm," "Today," "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" and "1979."

But the Pumpkins' power struggles frequently threatened its survival, as Corgan was reported to have erased his bandmates' parts during the sessions for the 1993 album "Siamese Dream" in favor of re-recording them on his own.

Throughout the Pumpkins' career, Corgan's giant ambition proved a mixed blessing. Although the band's sprawling 1995 double-album "Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness" debuted at No. 1 on The Billboard 200 and sold 4.7 million copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan, the 1996 tour in support of the project nearly signaled the Pumpkins' death knell.

On July 12, 1996, touring keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin was found dead of a heroin overdose after shooting up with Chamberlin. Chamberlin was quickly fired from the group and replaced onstage and in the studio by a host of skinsmen, including Filter's Matt Walker and Kenny Aronoff of John Mellencamp's band.

After the frosty reception to 1998's atmospheric, largely electronic "Adore," the Pumpkins welcomed Chamberlin back into the band on a spring 1999 club tour. Corgan publicly asserted that the band's next album would return to the aggressive rock of albums past, and although 2000's "MACHINA/the machines of god" more or less made good on his claim, the set stiffed at retail, selling just 583,000 copies to date. Prior to its release, Wretzky exited the band to pursue an acting career.

In early 2004, Corgan took to his official Web site to speak candidly about the band's split, admitting he regretted initially blaming the breakup on "fighting the good fight against the Britneys of the world."

"By saying that, I was seen as someone who was crying foul, taking his ball and going home, which was sad, 'cause it wasn't true at all," he said. "The truth of the matter is that James Iha broke up the Smashing Pumpkins. Not me, not Jimmy, but James. Did it help that D'arcy was fired for being a mean-spirited drug addict, who refused to get help? No, that didn't help keep the band together, not at all."

The artist said he would have liked to press on with the Pumpkins, which he described as "essentially my entire life... a dream I still believe in. Many friends at the time suggested letting James leave, so Jimmy and I could continue on under the name. But I was too loyal to the man I had started the whole thing with, and so I protected him until the very end."

Corgan was particularly saddened after Iha left the band's final show "without saying goodbye to the two people he had won and lost and traveled the world with. So, I won't be protecting him anymore and I won't be protecting a whole lot of other people anymore."

Corgan formed Zwan in 2001 with Chamberlin, ex-Chavez guitarist Matt Sweeney, guitarist David Pajo (Slint, Papa M) and bassist Paz Lenchantin, but that group also fell apart following the release of its lone album, "Mary Star of the Sea." Corgan has repeatedly bashed the other group members in recent interviews, telling the Tribune, "I got snookered in by really bad people."


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remember when D'arcy got caught smoking crack with Mickey Rourke?

good times.......

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I'm over them.
Does anyone seriously think that SP could come out with anything worthwhile. It's not the early 90's anymore. Time for a new dream there Billy yer' 15 might be up.

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The Pumpkins could make something worthwhile. IF Corgan gets over himself, IF they hire a new producer, and IF he gets James Iha back and lets him write some of the songs. Iha's a great songwriter, and if he broke up the band it was only because he actually wanted to write a song or two on each record.

Corgan surrounds himself with such talented people but then never lets them contribute anything. Yeah, if he can get over himself he could make something great.


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Sound Opinons' Greg Kot and Jim Derogatis are calling him the "Great Pumpkin"

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that was gay.


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du&sku Wrote:
The Pumpkins could make something worthwhile. IF Corgan gets over himself, IF they hire a new producer


I agree with this somewhat.

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and IF he gets James Iha back and lets him write some of the songs.


I'm sorry, did you hear his solo album? Complete GAR!


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I would sell my soul for another Adore or Machina.


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I'm sorry, did you hear his solo album? Complete GAR!


seconded. It was, ... not very good. Not very good at all.

I've always been under the impression that it's 100% Billy, and sometimes he's good, sometimes not. Unfortunately, that "good" sometimes seems to have been up till 1995. Did he not write those hits for Hole that managed to make Skankasaurus Rex a star?

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I want my band back, and my songs, and my dreams.


Oh, Billy.


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I would sell my soul for another Adore or Machina.


You kill every fucking Pumpkins related post. I hate you.

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don't go to the well too many times for that, shiv.


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du&sku Wrote:
He needs to get back together with Butch Vig, or someone that can make his music sound not-inhumanly-metallic.

Gish was a uniquely warm record, and Siamese Dream had one consistent tone throughout it. Mellon Collie sounded dead in comparison, and by the time they got to Machina, they forgot what the Pumpkins sounded like. Flood and Alan Moulder are bad fits. Billy likes them because they encourage artists to indulge their excesses and record every idea they have as if they were all brilliant song scraps waiting for release.


"Inhumanly metallic" ... agreed. Something happened post Siamese Dream but really after Mellon Collie.

Have you notice that his voice sounds wrecked now? I still think Gish is an all time great album, but I don't hear anything of those days in the Machina and Post-Machina output. It's a damn shame. ...

Re Smashing Pumpkins revival, I think he's asking for rights to the name from the rest of the band. I'm not so sure it's an actual reunion.


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"Corgan formed Zwan in 2001 with Chamberlin, ex-Chavez guitarist Matt Sweeney, guitarist David Pajo (Slint, Papa M) and bassist Paz Lenchantin, but that group also fell apart following the release of its lone album, "Mary Star of the Sea." Corgan has repeatedly bashed the other group members in recent interviews, telling the Tribune, "I got snookered in by really bad people."


How could BC cause Sweeney and Pajo together to suck? That's damn near impossible...and yet it happened!

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im happy. no matter what anyone says, i will always love the pumpkins.


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