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It was pretty awesome. I was never really a big fan of the first one Tim Burton directed so I like this one better but I'd like to hear what others have to say after they've seen it.

+ new batmobile
+ scarecrow's fear gas effects
+ some minor characters they included
+ ra's al ghul
+ christian bale

- dc's ripoff of marvel's opening logo
- bale's voice as batman was a little over the top

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The NYTimes gave it a pretty good review today:

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Dark Was the Young Knight Battling His Inner Demons
By MANOHLA DARGIS
Published: June 15, 2005

Near the big-bang finish of "Batman Begins," the title avenger, played by the charismatic young British actor Christian Bale, scoops up a damsel in distress, played by Katie Holmes, and spirits her away to his lair. Watching this scene, it was hard not to think how nice it would have been if Batman had instead dispatched the infernally perky actress, whose recent off-screen antics have threatened to eclipse this unexpectedly good movie. As it happens, the most memorable rescue mission in "Batman Begins" isn't engineered by the caped crusader, but by the film's director, Christopher Nolan.

"Batman Begins" is the seventh live-action film to take on the comic-book legend and the first to usher it into the kingdom of movie myth. Conceived in the shadow of American pop rather than in its bright light, this tense, effective iteration of Bob Kane's original comic book owes its power and pleasures to a director who takes his material seriously and to a star who shoulders that seriousness with ease. Until now, Mr. Bale, who cut his teeth working with Steven Spielberg on "Empire of the Sun" almost two decades ago, has been best known for his scarily plausible performance in "American Psycho," an intellectual horror movie that now seems like a prelude to this one: think American Psycho redux, this time in tights.

As sleek as a panther, with cheekbones that look sharp enough to give even an ardent lover pause, Mr. Bale makes a superbly menacing avenger. His Batman is leagues away from Adam West's cartoony persona, which lumbered across American television screens in the mid- and late-60's with zap and pow, but never an ounce of real wow. Mr. Bale even improves on Michael Keaton, who donned Batman's cape both in Tim Burton's 1989 "Batman" and its funhouse sequel three years later, and gave the character a jolt of menace. What Mr. Keaton couldn't bring to the role, and what Mr. Bale conveys effortlessly, is Bruce Wayne's air of casual entitlement, the aristocratic hauteur that is the necessary complement of Batman's obsessive megalomania.

Batman's Evolution
What Mr. Nolan gets, and gets better than any other previous director, is that without Bruce Wayne, Batman is just a rich wacko with illusions of grandeur and a terrific pair of support hose. Without his suave alter ego, this weird bat man is a superhero without humanity, an avenger without a conscious, an id without a superego. Which is why, working from his and David S. Goyer's very fine screenplay, Mr. Nolan more or less begins at the beginning, taking Batman back to his original trauma and the death of his parents. With narrative economy and tangible feeling, he stages that terrible, defining moment when young Master Wayne watched a criminal shoot his parents to death in a Gotham City alley, thereby setting into motion his long, strange journey into the self.

The story opens with the adult Bruce in the middle of that journey, in the far reaches of Asia, where he first rubs shoulders with "the criminal fraternity," then a clandestine brotherhood called the League of Shadows. Lead by a warrior sensei, Ra's al Ghul (Ken Watanabe), and his aide, Henri Ducard (Liam Neeson, at his lethal best), the league invites Bruce into its fold, an offer he violently declines. Thereafter, he returns to Gotham City, where he assumes a dual identity as both the city's wealthiest citizen and its avenging angel. Intrigue ensues involving a crime lord played with brio by Tom Wilkinson, a headshrinker brought to skin-crawling life by Cillian Murphy and the last honest cop in Gotham, James Gordon, given expressive poignancy by a restrained Gary Oldman.

It's amazing what an excellent cast, a solid screenplay and a regard for the source material can do for a comic book movie. Unlike Robert Rodriguez, whose faithfulness to Frank Miller's comic sucked the juice out of "Sin City," Mr. Nolan approaches Batman with respect rather than reverence. It's obvious that Mr. Nolan has made a close study of the Batman legacy, but he owes a specific debt to Mr. Miller's 1980's rethink of the character, which resurrected the Dark Knight side of his identity. Like Mr. Miller's Batman, Mr. Nolan's is tormented by demons both physical and psychological. In an uncertain world, one the director models with an eye to our own, this is a hero caught between justice and vengeance, a desire for peace and the will to power.

That struggle gives the story its requisite heft, but what makes this "Batman" so enjoyable is how Mr. Nolan balances the story's dark elements with its light, and arranges the familiar genre elements in new, unforeseen ways. Weaned on countless comics and a handful of movies, we may think we know the bat cave like we know the inside of our childhood bedroom. But to watch Bruce Wayne stand in the atmospheric gloom of this new cavern, surrounded by a cloud of swirling bats, is to see the underground refuge for the first time. Likewise the Batmobile, which here resembles a Hummer that looks as if it had been gently flattened by a Bradley tank, then tricked out for some hard street racing with fat tires and gleaming black paint.

As is often the case with movies about toys and boys, "Batman Begins" drags on too long, but even the reflexively Bruckheimer-like finish can't diminish its charms. Mr. Nolan needs to work on his action: Fred Astaire made sure that he was filmed so that you could see the entirety of his body, advice this director should have heeded when shooting his superhero. Still, what makes "Batman Begins" the most successful comic-book adaptation alongside Terry Zwigoff's "Ghost World" isn't the noisy set pieces, the nods to "Blade Runner" or the way a child's keepsake, an Indian arrowhead, echoes the shape of a bat. It's the way Mr. Nolan invites us to watch Bruce Wayne quietly piecing together his Batman identity, to become a secret sharer to a legend, just as we did once upon a time when we read our first comic.

"Batman Begins" is rated PG-13 (Some material might be inappropriate for children under 13). The film includes intense if bloodless action, notably the gun death of the Bruce Wayne's parents. People with bat phobias should take care.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:32 am 
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shiv Wrote:
+ some minor characters they included


come on firefly and bat-mite.
i guess it's too soon for Batzarro.

i'll probably see this tomorrow night once the nrrrds thin out a bit. How was Gary Oldman as Gordon? That's one of my major selling points right now. well, that and the scene where katie holmes tries to steer batman towards scientology.

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motherfuckin' batman holdin it down


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+ new batmobile
I saw that in the preview, looks awesome. I'm going to see it.

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It was pretty awesome. I was never really a big fan of the first one Tim Burton directed so I like this one better but I'd like to hear what others have to say after they've seen it.

+ new batmobile
+ scarecrow's fear gas effects
+ some minor characters they included
+ ra's al ghul
+ christian bale

- dc's ripoff of marvel's opening logo
- bale's voice as batman was a little over the top


It's been getting some great reviews so I'm pretty excited. Surprised to see the Batmobile as a plus. Does it really work? It looks ridiculous to me but then again, so did the old one.


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holy shit it's 2 hours and 20 minutes long? Jesus! I was gonna catch a late show tonight but that will take FOREVER.

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i just got home from seeing it. i liked it a lot. (my friend didn't, though.) the new batmobile wasn't as bad as i'd expected either. definitely recommended.


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if you took out all the comic book, vampire, and tv show-based movies from the past 10 years, how many movies would there even be?

that said - i will probably see this, most likely w/o the wife.

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+ some minor characters they included


come on firefly and bat-mite.
i guess it's too soon for Batzarro.

i'll probably see this tomorrow night once the nrrrds thin out a bit. How was Gary Oldman as Gordon? That's one of my major selling points right now. well, that and the scene where katie holmes tries to steer batman towards scientology.


actually that probably should be character singular since it was only mr. zsasz who i was excited about...

gary oldman was excellent as usual tho he had a bit too many one liners.

my roommate said it was spider man 1 good, not spider man 2 or X2 good.

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if you took out all the comic book, vampire, and tv show-based movies from the past 10 years, how many movies would there even be?
Crap like Sideways, Cold Mountain and I (heart) Huckabees.

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i'd much prefer crap like that and leave shit like the Fantastic 4 and fucking Blade 3 to the geeks

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blade 3 was equally as good as I Heart Huckabees. Sideways, as terrible as it was, might have been better... oh wait the lack of jessica biel hurts it in the end. Blade trinity wins again.


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I loved sideways.

i guess i suck.

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I loved Sideways.

i guess i suck.
No, it was on a lot of obners' year-end lists.

Just not mine.

I'm just saying, if you're complaining about the state of remakes in Hollywood today, those're your choices.

Personally, I think they can do better.

Oh, and Aviator.

And there's a whole category of horror films, but those're remakes, too (Grudge, Ring, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, etc.).

Oh, and for the record, I liked I (heart) Huckabees.

I still think they can do better.

But then again, I still haven't seen Unleashed.

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I loved sideways.

i guess i suck.


I guess I do too. Sideways was one of my favorites from last year.

Seriously, what was terrible about it? I could see not liking it, but terrible seems strong. What 20 movies from '04 were that much better than Sideways?

I'm with Paris on this one. I think I'll take his pledge not see any more movies based on old TV shows or comic books. For example---Spiderman 2. The critics were gaga for this one---one of (or the) best comic book based film ever made! It bored me to tears. Nothing special at all. Sin City? Yeah, it was visually quite stunning, and a few of the characters were interesting, but the story itself was not good. All style over substance.

Give me a terrible, character-driven film anyday.


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sideways was doo-doo butter. Watch two completely useless, unlikable guys fondle themselves over the wine country? no thanks. maybe you have to be in your mid forties and be completely in love with your own misery to recognize any value in the characters, but i thought that they sucked on a level of bill murray's character in Lost in Translation. Sideways really, really irritated me in that it tricked me into investing 2 hours in it. and it's got LOWELL from FUCKING WINGS in it and it's reintroduced him to stardom. fuck that.


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and yeah you guys both suck.


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i always thought lowell was a poor man's dumb version of kirk from Dear John...

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Seriously, what was terrible about it?
It wasn't terrible...but seriously, if that's the height of film-making today...the pinnacle...the zenith...well, that's just sad.

I agree with Chase -- two not-likable guys watching them do not very interesting things...WTF? WTF is the big deal? Who TF cares? You made a whole movie out of that? I mean, yeah, I knew a guy like that one, and I enjoyed that they reminded me of it, and the one main character kind of reminded me of myself several years ago -- why would I want to be reminded of my loserness?!? -- but it's material for when you've seen every other movie out there first...

High Fidelity (another movie that was quite a bit real about real people, and with which I could associate) -- now that was an excellent movie.

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Doo doo butter? And I'm not even near my mid-forties nor am I even close to miserable, thank you, and I still really enjoyed this movie. I thought it provided humorous, witty dialogue, and followed a story through. And I certainly don't think it's the pinnacle of film-making, DC, I just thought it was far more intelligent and witty than Sin City. I love High Fidelity too, BTW, DC.

I'd still like to see your top 10 or so from '04, chase.


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ok, call me a geek(or a dick, if so inclined). I found "the top 10 movies of '04" thread. chase, you never listed a top 10, and the only movie you admitted to liking was Garden State---'nuff said.

DC, you ranked Shark Tale, Steppford Wives and I, Robot in your top 10---not really what I'd call the cinematic pinnacle.

I guess '04 was just not a good year for film.


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How does the rather lame movie Sideways hijack this thread??

I definitely recommend Batman Begins. I really liked Bale as Bruce/Batman, but why did he have to have that voice as Batman??

See this shit, tomorrow!


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How does the rather lame movie Sideways hijack this thread??


That's just the way things go around here, DMB. You should know that by now. Par for the course.


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