This makes me sick. Especially from a band I actually enjoyed. What a bunch of greedy scum.

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Dalen in cahoots with Don Foster?

I say, fuck it, I would have kept the money, too. I may actually buy that Razorlight album now.

dude, you're like sooooo controversial.

actually, I'm serious. I mean somebody obviously made money on Live 8, right? So my attitude would be to get mine.

Not controversial, just smart enough to not let anybody get a piece of mine.

At least they're being honest.

Steve

Also, its pretty easy to ease your rich-guilt when you are as loaded as David Gilmour.

I doubt if Razorlight has much extra cash laying around.

This argument has some weight with me.

First thing I thought of.

This whole thing was a major wank-off anyway.

I love how most of the Democracy advocates in Africa don't even fucking want this, because it makes their corrupt ass governments less responsible to the people.

This whole thing is typical "first world" shit, wherein people throw money at problems and expect them to dissapear. You of all people should understand this Dalen, it's a typical Republican response. (and oftentimes true)

I agree with Steve, at least Razorlight's being honest. They have done their part with that one single. If I am their publicist I'm not happy, but fuck it.

I gotta say 'F That' as well....

Its a noble and wonderful gesture what Floyd, Annie Lennox, and the WHo, among others are doing..... They can certainly afford to donate large amount of proceeds to the cause....

But to be mad at artists and acts who choose not to, shouldnt be frowned upon...Razorlights are hardly a house hold name, and Im sure they all have day jobs to attend to when the touring machine comes to an end, and they have to write a new record should the label not give up on them....

It was about awareness, and not charity....If anything, all the companies who donated all that crap for the goodie bags for the artists, instead should have wrote checks to the cause....Im sure Roger Daltry can afford his own IPOD or trip to a day spa, or whatever crap they threw at em....

there are bigger people to hold responsible then a little band likethe razorlights.

Didn't the performers get $4000 gift bags of gourmet or uppity shit? Maybe they could have taken that cash and donated it to the cause as well.

they went into this this knowing it was for charity. if they would have said before hand "we're keeping what we make here", i could respect that. they didn't. so fuck them.

oh, and razorlight made quite a lot of money off their debut, and don't hold day jobs.

Ok, obviously some people made money on Live 8. And, since it was an "awareness-raising" and not a money-raising event, maybe no band is, objectively, ethically compelled to give money to charity. But it's not any more "smart" to take the money and run - it's entirely a matter of personal ethics. It's maybe fiscally expedient, and it's certainly greedy, but it's no more smart than acting greedy ever was. What, are they afraid they'll look like "suckers" if they use the money they made off of a charity event to help the people the charity was supposed to benefit, just because someone else is making money?

maybe they prefer to take the example of Ronald Reagan and give privately?

i was made aware that everyone hates Celine Dion.

and while I'm sure that they dont have real jobs anymore, i would disagree that they made "quite a lot of money". its just not possible at this point in their careers

semantics perhaps. maybe a search of british forbes entertainment list would yield the results....dunno, lazy, lunchtime, etc.

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oh, and razorlight made quite a lot of money off their debut, and don't hold day jobs.[/quote]


just out of curiosity and not challenging you, but how do you know what the bands finances are?

i based my opinion on the fact they they are on Universal records, probabaly got a handsome advance, tour support, a video or so, and marketing....the record had a buzz over in the US, but most bands on majors have to sell in the 750k or more range, before seeing any kind of profit....once my buddy is online, i can get soundscan numbers on there, but unless i completely missed the mark with these guys, i dont think they sold near that....perhaps im wrong? But a strong majority of major label artists are indebted to the label for decades.......not many truly profit.....unless it is on merch sales and touring.

as for day jobs, youd be surprised....what some of the midsize / non superstar acts out there do on their down time.....in between records and touring....

I think the hearts of all the people involved were in the right place, but the problem remains the same. Any money sent over there is just going to be "managed" by one of many African dictators.

Steve

Yeah. How does one get that gig as "African dictator". I'd be willing to get my resume together and everything.

just out of curiosity and not challenging you, but how do you know what the bands finances are?

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dunno bout their finances to be honest, but i do know they from very reliable sources that they no longer work day jobs, and live quite nicely.

those haircuts and expensive cars cost money.

I read on NME that they've sold over 2 million albums. Not sure if it's true or not.

Well, I would say that being African would be a good start but that shit doesn't always matter. Ever take a look at some of the "tribal council" members who run the American Indian casinos? They don't exactly look like Sitting Bull.

Steve

Live8 was a farce from the word go. I have a real problem with multimillionaires telling working stiffs to give money to any cause. Fucking Elton John fritters away a couple hundred thousand dollars a month on clothes and shit and the diseased queen wants money for charity from me? Fuck him. And Sting. And David Gilmour. Put 'em all in a row and fuck 'em in the ears with a long, rusty skewer.

On the topic of Razorlight, two points:

I think the decision not to donate money from something as nebulous and unverifiable as "increased record sales" is far from a greed tactic - especially given Razorlight's previous commitment to charity.


So, if all artists (other than 3) haven't admitted to a decision either way, why only target Razorlight in the first place?

Agreed.

We've all probably seen the numbers that Steve Albini has posted somewhere on the internet that show that bands are usually in the hole after their first album, and the second album is a desperate attempt to pay off the debts they owe the label from the first.

I also saw something from King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp where he worked out that, even on their own label, after marketing, touring, merchandise, this very well established band still took home about $20,000 each at the end of the year (which is likely why you'll see the band's members popping up on other people's albums - it's quick cash.) The music biz is not about huge profits for probably 99% of the artists that release music, sadly. I can't say I know a damn thing about Razorlight, and the way they stated it may sound kind of nasty, but the profits from their album sales are probably pretty damned important to them. They have to eat, too, you know.

are you fucking serious?

Rap on, brother. Rap on.