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george benson was cool.

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It's so funny about taste... you often have talked about bands the way I would, similar taste, but I always thought Benson was a hack. If you want that kind of cool, Wes Montgomery.

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It's so funny about taste... you often have talked about bands the way I would, similar taste, but I always thought Benson was a hack. If you want that kind of cool, Wes Montgomery.


Agreed with the first statement. All of it sounds like endless noodling to me.


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Did I miss any mention of Ry Cooder in here?


Reading this thread, that'sthe name that was the most obvius ommission. Here's my list:

Buddy Holly
Robert Fripp
Richard Thompson
Phil Manzanera
Ry Cooder
Johnny Marr
Will Sargeant
Alvin Lee
Bill Carter
David Gilmour
Mick Ronson
Frank Marino
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Trey is shit, Yail, end of story. He was amazing. Ideas like what he realized in "What's the Use?" and similarly executed improvisations from 97 and 98, when he was on, remain unmatched by any such guitarist. He fucking blew it. I hardly heard an interesting thing come from his fingers after Big Cypress. Yes, I'm bitter. What the fuck is he doing now?


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keeping with my theme of talking tash on obviously talented white blues guitarists, SRV bores me to tears.


I can't believe I forgot SRV on my list.
One of the only musicians I don't mind listening to play, and just jam on and on and on... He actually said more with his guitar than he did by singing, and that is just amazing.

As to Joey Santiago being a hack: I can only go by what I hear. I can only assume that he came up with his own fucked-up parts on stuff like "Vamos" and "Tame".

And as far as chops vs. feel. Feel wins out every goddamn time.

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Warren Haynes.

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And as far as chops vs. feel. Feel wins out every goddamn time.


I agree and a better conveyance than what I said earlier.

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Ok, now I have time. I have to admit that a lot of people mentioned here I haven't heard (well, not a LOT, but too many), and a lot of it has to do with music that's only made to showcase the guitar... can't stand it. Fretboard gymnastics hold my attention for about 45 seconds, tops. The difference is, say, SRV vs Yngwie Malmsteen (sp?!). Stevie wrote decent songs, sometimes GOOD songs, and pulled them off well, knowing when to stay out of their way. Guitar wasn't all that he did. But enough of that. My favorite three, maybe, in no particular order, but with explanations:

Billy Corgan: Reading this month's Spin reminded me of something I figured out watching them play 2 shows, in 92/93, right before and right after Siamese came out. When he's on it, when he's up and running, when he's pissed off, he wants to absolutely kill you with that guitar. He has the gear and the gumption, and he knows it. Just watching his face back then, he had this evil sorta snarl, like "wait til I fucking unload This on you," and brother he wasn't bluffing. He's unhappy, moody, prone to bouts of the Suck, but he knows how to use that guitar (and equally, it must be said, his gear) as a weapon. And he didn't do it by going "chugga chugga chugga" like all the metalheads had to do. Hell, even Today had some balls to it... imagine I guess that somebody screaming their lungs out could be done in a pretty way. He forever changed how I play and what I aspire to, guitar-wise.

Eddie Van Halen: I think he gets dismissed in these kinds of circles for 2 reasons... he's obvious, and he's kinda hair metal. And I fully understand those complaints - I remember the tight, striped pants. But they don't erase the fact that he figured out how to make guitar Fun again. Sorry, it's true. Look where it was in 1978... punk guitar is not fun. Post-Zep rock guitar is only remotely fun once in a while, and mostly took itself so goddam seriously. Enter Van Halen, 1978... Running With The Devil? Ain't Talkin Bout Love? Are you f'in kidding me?! Listening to that guitar as a guitarist is disgusting, in a way. He makes it sound like a liesurely stroll in the park. Everything is flippant, playful, yet aggressive. NOBODY sounded like that, and to be fair, only a handful have been able to imitate it successfully since then. There are very few people who are single-handedly responsible for that big of a chunk of progress, but because the songs all got tons of radio play, people get blase about it. But that guy Told that guitar what to do, and dammit it Did it. I mean, the guy's setup was a chopped-up Kramer guitar and a marshall 50watt 2x12 combo with a fucking 120-volt wall dimmer wired in ahead of the speakers, so he could crank the volume to 10 and then back the overall sound down. Jesus bubba.

Junior Brown: If you can watch him live and not be humbled, your name had better already be in this thread (and not as an author). Double-neck instrument, half guitar half lap steel, switches on the fly mid-song, while singing, and any of those 3 things he's doing are better than just about anybody else could do them. He's got a great baritone voice for country, his slide playing is phenominal, and his guitar work is nothing short of jaw-dropping. You get the impression within the first song of his show that he could really do any damn thing he wanted to, and the rest of the show does nothing to diminish that impression. Two pristine, early 70's, silverface Fender Twins behind him (100 watts each), both turned up to about 8, which is loud enough to ripple his jeans at 3 paces away. He can and will go from Cumparasita to Voodoo Chile in the same song, and you WILL be impressed by it.

Honorable Mentions: The scary, mousy guitarist from the Two Dollar Pistols... either John Prince or Greg Hawks? Help me, Bloor, I know you know his name. The rest of you, you've never heard of him, probably never will. They're a honkeytonk outfit, and he's just some dude. But holy shit, does he have amazingly good taste. Jaw slightly slack, eyes glazed over and pointing down towards the floor, shoulders hunched, looks like he'd run if you yelled BOO. But in the 5 or 6 times I've seen them, I have been unable to remove myself from his immediate presence. He doesn't showboat, ever. He never looks like what he's doing even gets him excited. But brother, that guy brings it. He just does it so... quietly. If I had that kinda talent, I would at least have a grin on my face... it's like having a 10-inch package and not having the courage to ask any girl on a date. But as the ladies will point out, there's more to it than just the package, dammit. You have to know how to use it, and for once this guy does. (we're still talking about talent, right?) I've seen people who were faster and flashier, but for my money, having the taste to know when to shut up is infinitely more important.

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Good post, Cap'n. But...
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in 1978... punk guitar is not fun.

I'd want to ask Robert Quine about that (y'know, if he wasn't dead and all).


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in 1978... punk guitar is not fun.

I'd want to ask Robert Quine about that (y'know, if he wasn't dead and all).


Robert Quine is a fine player but you guys seriously overrate him; being the nut-finder in a room full of blind squirrels does not a genius make you.

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Radcliffe Wrote:
Good post, Cap'n. But...
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in 1978... punk guitar is not fun.

I'd want to ask Robert Quine about that (y'know, if he wasn't dead and all).


It's an opinion, and one I stand by. Punk uses guitar as an extension of the drum set ("everybody all together on the 16ths? Ready? Go!"), and is not really much fun to play, seriously. You can probably find an example or three where someone doesn't play it that way. Awesome.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Radcliffe Wrote:
Good post, Cap'n. But...
Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
in 1978... punk guitar is not fun.

I'd want to ask Robert Quine about that (y'know, if he wasn't dead and all).


Robert Quine is a fine player but you guys seriously overrate him; being the nut-finder in a room full of blind squirrels does not a genius make you.


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And as far as chops vs. feel. Feel wins out every goddamn time.


NOBODY plays like he did.
As far as his being a "Punk" player: Just listen to the title track from Matthew Sweet's Girlfriend. Listen to Lou Reed's Blue Mask.

And if he IS a punk... YOU try playing the opening to "Love Comes In Spurts" (Richard Hell & the Voidoids) and making it sound as cool as he did.

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Junior Brown. Damn.

Saw him a couple years ago and was fucking blown away. He had so much fun on stage.

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Not that I'm a huge fan of either(don't own anything) but Vince Gil, Brad Paisley, and Ricky Skaggs can play that country..


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Not that I'm a huge fan of either(don't own anything) but Vince Gil, Brad Paisley, and Ricky Skaggs can play that country..


Oh vince is a Monster. Just crazy-good. I've often said that country is the last refuge of the badass guitar solo (where it's appropriate).

Todd, how much of Matthew Sweet's stuff did Quine play on? Because if he's the guy on Sick Of Myself, he's not a punk player, or at least That's not punk playing (but that's fucking obvious as hell, I hope). Whoever played on 100% Fun was awesome, and had a LOT of similarities to Lyle Workman. The two could sit in for one another and nobody'd notice.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
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Not that I'm a huge fan of either(don't own anything) but Vince Gil, Brad Paisley, and Ricky Skaggs can play that country..


Oh vince is a Monster. Just crazy-good. I've often said that country is the last refuge of the badass guitar solo (where it's appropriate).

Todd, how much of Matthew Sweet's stuff did Quine play on? Because if he's the guy on Sick Of Myself, he's not a punk player, or at least That's not punk playing (but that's fucking obvious as hell, I hope). Whoever played on 100% Fun was awesome, and had a LOT of similarities to Lyle Workman. The two could sit in for one another and nobody'd notice.


"Sick Of Myself" was Richard Lloyd (of Television), although Quine played on other songs on that record – both of them were all over all Sweet's albums from GF through 100% Fun. Individual credits for each song are given on the liner notes of all the records.

(And, if you'll notice, Richard Lloyd was on my list, too.)

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Yeah, Cap'n, dudes like Quine, Lloyd and Tom Verlaine are not "punk" players per se despite being lumped into the genre.

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Yeah, Cap'n, dudes like Quine, Lloyd and Tom Verlaine are not "punk" players per se despite being lumped into the genre.

They're lumped into the genre because they played in punk bands. At least, bands that were punk before the revisionist definition of punk came about. But damn, there's that age thing again.


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Yeah, Cap'n, dudes like Quine, Lloyd and Tom Verlaine are not "punk" players per se despite being lumped into the genre.

They're lumped into the genre because they played in punk bands. At least, bands that were punk before the revisionist definition of punk came about. But damn, there's that age thing again.


yeah, the age thing.......

so, who Rads, Tom Scholz and Lyndsey Buckingham?

just kidding dude :P

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I don't play shit and don't know shit about playing and don't really care either. I know what I like and what I don't.

But just out of curiousity, here's a few names I don't recall seeing on the list, just for grins. (Chuck Berry comes up in the search, but I haven't seen his name, so I'll leave him off).

Stephen Stills
Dick Dale
Duane Allmann
John Fogerty
Prince

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I don't play shit and don't know shit about playing and don't really care either. I know what I like and what I don't.

But just out of curiousity, here's a few names I don't recall seeing on the list, just for grins. (Chuck Berry comes up in the search, but I haven't seen his name, so I'll leave him off).

Stephen Stills
Dick Dale
Duane Allmann
John Fogerty
Prince


Chuck Berry is a given I think.

Stills is actually pretty good
Dale=one trick pony
Duane couldnt even tune his guitar (listen to the slide guitar in the outro of "Layla"...blech); i'll take Derrick Trucks, Dickie Betts, Warren Haynes, or Jimmy Herring any day
Fogerty is pretty damn good
Prince is incredible

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Chuck Berry is a given I think.

Stills is actually pretty good
Dale=one trick pony
Duane couldnt even tune his guitar (listen to the slide guitar in the outro of "Layla"...blech); i'll take Derrick Trucks, Dickie Betts, Warren Haynes, or Jimmy Herring any day
Fogerty is pretty damn good
Prince is incredible


My god, before I scrolled down, I said this almost verbatim aloud... I mean "one trick pony" was my exact choice of words, though I believe it ended in "under-rated, under-rated. So that's why we're friends...

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So that's why we're friends...


we may have taught/influenced each other a thing or two regarding music over the years despite a myriad of philosophical and lifestyle disagreements, no?

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