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i've seen some shifty sandwich smashing. i'm going to report them to the bbb.

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That Chicken Milano sandwich does look pretty good from the ads I've seen on tv. I really don't like toasted sandwiches though, too dry.

I liked the steak & cheese from D'Angelos but those shops seem to be disappearing around here.

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Quiznos would be awesome if they'd cut their prices in half. $10 for a meal is just ridiculous...and that's with the smaller size sandwich.

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Quizno's are an expensive crappy version of a sandwich.


Arby's Market Fresh Sandwiches. Congratulations son, you bought a sandwich for $7 when you could have had the exact same thing at home for $1.

Yeah, I don't get that one either. I think I'll make myself a sandwich when I get home tonight.


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Man, I was bummed when I first got a sandwich at Quizno's. I felt the heft of the bag, and didn't think there was anything in there! For the price, it's a rip.

This was in the Chronicle yesterday.

Sandwich Market Continues on Hot Roll
By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer

(08-01) 17:37 PDT Milford, Conn. (AP) --


This is Subway territory, a small waterfront city of 52,000 that's home to the nation's largest restaurant chain, a place where Subway funds the arts and schools and sends kids to summer camp.


But just up the road from Subway's headquarters, a developer recently erected seven white letters over an empty storefront: Quiznos.


"They're challenging Subway," observed resident Ernie Judson, gesturing to the newly painted red trim, "putting it right in their backyard."


Consumers are noticing what restaurant industry analysts have seen for years. By making toasted sandwiches a hot item, Denver-based Quiznos has become the fastest-growing restaurant chain in the country, trailing only Subway as the nation's No. 2 sandwich shop — not counting hamburgers.


After the upstart in the sandwich market hit the $1 billion sales mark last year, Subway took notice and launched is own brand of toasted sandwiches.


But industry analysts say Subway and Quiznos are locked in an unusual competition. Like McDonald's and Burger King, they compete for the same market. But the sandwich purveyors also share a common goal: luring customers away from the burger joints.


Nowhere is that clearer than on Subway's monthly sales charts, which frequently are unaffected even after a Quiznos opens nearby, said Fred DeLuca, Subway's founder and president.


"How can that be?" he said. "Where did all the sandwich customers come from?"


The answer, he said, is that despite the presence of 18,000 Subway restaurants nationwide, the sandwich market remains underserved. Quiznos is bringing new customers to the market, which in turn benefits Subway.


Customer James Gore, who works in New Haven and was dining at a Quiznos on Monday, said he likes both chains.


"I thought about getting a burger, but I didn't want to eat heavy and have to go back to work," Gore said.


DeLuca even credits part of his company's 11 percent average annual growth over the past three years to Quiznos' emergence. "If they never existed, our overall growth probably would be slower," he said.


Quiznos, too, benefits from the competition. Subway preaches the health benefits of sandwiches over hamburgers with an annual advertising budget that exceeds $100 million.


"The sandwich-segment boom is based on health-conscious people perceiving sandwiches as better for them than burgers or fried chicken," said Dominick Voso, executive vice president of development for Quiznos.


For years, Subway has delivered that message through Jared Fogle, the company icon who lost 245 pounds eating its sandwiches. Quiznos, meanwhile, has struggled to establish brand identity — even though its name was devised because it contained both a q and z, the two least-used letters in the alphabet, in a bid to be unique and memorable.


Quiznos' early advertisements bordered on the bizarre: singing rodent-like characters, a man suckling on a wolf's teat and people getting shot with tranquilizer darts.


Tom Ryan, the vice president in charge of crafting the Quiznos brand, said those early ads generated buzz. As Quiznos has matured, he said, the marketing has increasingly focused on sandwich quality.


Beyond advertising, Quiznos and Subway also have embraced very different business models and growth strategies.


Subway has more than 23,000 franchises in 82 countries. Its nearly 18,000 U.S. stores generated $6.27 billion in sales last year. Now marking its 40th year, Subway franchises are designed to run inexpensively with a small staff and can be built into gas stations and convenience stores.


Quiznos offers slightly more expensive food in larger, breezier shops. With nearly 4,000 stores, Quiznos executives say they're blazing new ground, marketing the company as a higher-quality alternative to fast food that's not as expensive as eateries known as fast casual restaurants, such as Panera Bread Co.


But some see the Quiznos' building blitz as a potential liability and say the company's niche might not be big enough to support its growth.


Between 2002 and 2004, Quiznos leaped from 1,765 stores to 3,339. That's an annual growth rate of nearly 45 percent, with company sales climbing 48 percent to $1.27 billion.


"I don't think you could talk to any analyst in the country who would recommend that fast growth," said Tom Miner, a restaurant consultant with Chicago-based Technomic Inc.


Growing makes sense when a new brand is hot, he said, but growing too fast leaves a company vulnerable to having too many stores if the novelty wears off.


For example, Miner points to Boston Market, which grew from a regional chain of 34 stores in 1992 to a 1,200-store franchise in just five years. With its homestyle chicken, the company was poised to take on McDonald's, KFC and the supermarkets.


By 2000, Boston Market was bankrupt. Four years after posting sales of $1.2 billion, it was purchased for $176 million — by McDonald's.


H.G. Parsa, editor of the Journal of Foodservice Business Research, believes Quiznos offers a better product than Subway but may have hindered its growth by positioning itself between fast food and fast casual.


"They're afraid to make the choice. If they make the step up, they might get beat," Parsa said. "Quiznos is stuck. They want to play both games at the same time."


Nonsense, says Ryan, the Quiznos brand guru. The former McDonald's executive says the company offers better food than its fast-food rivals at a better price than its fast-casual competitors.


"We don't think it is a niche. We think it's positioned us more for where the market is growing than where the market has been," he said. "There's a big difference between being niche and being first."

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Jersey Mike's is mostly on the east coast, but shit is hot to death. Better than any other chain shop.


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The Chicken Milano, Turkey Bacon Guacamole, the Steakhouse Beef Dip and the Mesquite Chicken with Bacon subs justify the existence of Quiznos. I eat there at least once a week.


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Jersey Mike's is mostly on the east coast, but shit is hot to death. Better than any other chain shop.


There's a few of those here in LV, but I've never tried their stuff- I'll take that as a rec.........


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Jersey Mike's is mostly on the east coast, but shit is hot to death. Better than any other chain shop.


There's a few of those here in LV, but I've never tried their stuff- I'll take that as a rec.........


ahhhhh yea...there's one about a block from my apt...get a #13, done Mike's way and you're all set

and everybody is always crowding into Subway & Quiznos, so there's never a long line at the one in my neighborhood


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tentoze Wrote:
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Jersey Mike's is mostly on the east coast, but shit is hot to death. Better than any other chain shop.


There's a few of those here in LV, but I've never tried their stuff- I'll take that as a rec.........

Definitely. The 13 Mike's Way is good, like Shawn says. I really like the club sub (#8). For hot subs, the chicken or steak philly is faaaaaaaantastic. I always add banana peppers to my subs.


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Does anyone have a Stuffys in their area? I'm not sure if it's just a chain around the Richmond area or not... but once I started eating subs there, I cannot eat anything else. They use real deli meat and cheese. Subway tastes so fake... Sick. I'm not so sure about Quiznos though.
i think that it's just a richmond thing. it's owned by the same people that own greywolf grill. they're weirdly christian.


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WaWa's make the existence of Subway or Quizno's unnecessary.

but i'll go to both every once in a while. i don't know why i do.
both are so expensive.

though the tangy ketchupy sauce at Quizno's is pretty bad ass.


but WaWa's rule.

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Quizno's are an expensive crappy version of a sandwich.


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Joey Crack Wrote:
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Does anyone have a Stuffys in their area? I'm not sure if it's just a chain around the Richmond area or not... but once I started eating subs there, I cannot eat anything else. They use real deli meat and cheese. Subway tastes so fake... Sick. I'm not so sure about Quiznos though.
i think that it's just a richmond thing. it's owned by the same people that own greywolf grill. they're weirdly christian.


mmm greywolf grill is good though. i'm not nearly a chef or close to being a good cook at all, so when i went i didnt know what spices to put on my food so it ended up being pretty sick the first time i made a dish.


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i loves some quizno's and hates some subway

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I like both Quiznos and Subway. I eat at Subway approx once/week. It's decent. But Quiznos rocks. That 321 sauce (?) is excellente.

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quizno's... 1000% delicious.


I go to Subway often, though, because of the student discount. Their cookies are better than those at Quizno's, too.


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I had the Chicken Milano sub tonight. I expected it to be wrapped in gold foil and drizzled in women's cum for the $11* I paid.

* I got a drink too. Raspberry Lemonade, which was great.

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11 bucks? did you actually get that gigantic size and soup and a cookie or something?

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shiv Wrote:
I had the Chicken Milano sub tonight. I expected it to be wrapped in gold foil and drizzled in women's cum for the $11* I paid.


well, was it?


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11 bucks? did you actually get that gigantic size and soup and a cookie or something?


large sub and large drink. i could get a large sub from a place near my work for half that.

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I had the Chicken Milano sub tonight. I expected it to be wrapped in gold foil and drizzled in women's cum for the $11* I paid.


well, was it?


they put something on it but i suspect it didn't say 'PUSSY JUICE' on the container. no fucking gold foil either.

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WaWa's make the existence of Subway or Quizno's unnecessary.

but i'll go to both every once in a while. i don't know why i do.
both are so expensive.

though the tangy ketchupy sauce at Quizno's is pretty bad ass.


but WaWa's rule.


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Y'know, fuck Quiznos. I went to Boston Market and got 1/2 a chicken, potatoes, green beans, corn bread and a side of corn for $9.

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