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What Rice Can't See

Like a lot of African Americans, I've long wondered what the deal was with Condoleezza Rice and the issue of race. How does she work so loyally for George W. Bush, whose approval rating among blacks was measured in a recent poll at a negligible 2 percent? How did she come to a worldview so radically different from that of most black Americans? Is she blind, is she in denial, is she confused -- or what?

After spending three days with the secretary of state and her entourage as she toured Birmingham, where she grew up in a protective bubble as the tumult of the civil rights movement swirled around her, I have a partial answer: It's as if Rice is still cosseted in her beloved Titusville, the neighborhood of black strivers where she was raised, able to see the very different reality that other African Americans experience but not to reach out of the bubble -- not able to touch that other reality, and thus not able to really understand it.

Rice's parents tried their best to shelter their only daughter from Jim Crow racism, and they succeeded. Forty years later, Rice shows no bitterness when she recalls her childhood in a town whose streets were ruled by the segregationist police chief Bull Connor. "I've always said about Birmingham that because race was everything, race was nothing," she said in an interview on the flight home.

When she reminisces, she talks of piano lessons and her brief attempt at ballet -- not of Connor setting his dogs loose on brave men, women and children marching for freedom, which is the Birmingham that other residents I met still remember. A friend of Rice's, Denise McNair, was one of the four girls killed in the bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. That would have left a deep scar on me, but Rice can speak of that atrocity without visible emotion.

She doesn't deny that race makes a difference. "We all look forward to the day when this country is race-blind, but it isn't yet," she told reporters in Birmingham. Later she added, "The fact that our society is not colorblind is a statement of fact."

But then why are the top echelons of her State Department almost entirely white? "That's an artifact of foreign policy," she said in the interview. "It's not been a very diverse profession." In other words, there aren't enough qualified minority candidates. I wondered how many times those words have been used as a lame excuse.

One of the things she somehow missed was that in Titusville and other black middle-class enclaves, a guiding principle was that as you climbed, you were obliged to reach back and bring others along. Rice has been a foreign policy heavyweight for nearly two decades; she spent four years in the White House as the president's national security adviser. In the interview, she mentioned just one black professional she has brought with her from the National Security Council to State.

As we were flying to Alabama, Rice said an interesting thing. She was talking about the history of the civil rights movement, and she said, "If you read Frederick Douglass, he was not petitioning from outside of the institutions but rather demanding that the institutions live up to what they said they were. If you read Martin Luther King, he was not petitioning from outside, he was petitioning from inside the principles and the institutions, and challenging America to be what America said that it was."

The civil rights movement came from the inside? I always thought the Edmund Pettus Bridge was outside.

I know very few black Americans who think of themselves fully as insiders in this society. No matter how high we rise, there's always that reality that Rice acknowledges: The society isn't colorblind, not yet. It's not always in the front of your mind, but it's there. We talk about it, we overcome it, but it's there.

When Rice was growing up, her father stood guard at the entrance of her neighborhood with a rifle to keep the Klan's nightriders away. But that was outside the bubble. Inside the bubble, Rice was sitting at the piano in pretty dresses to play Bach fugues. It sounds like a wonderful childhood, but one that left her able to see the impact that race has in America -- able to examine it and analyze it -- but not to feel it.

If there's a "Rosebud" to decode the enigma that is Condoleezza Rice, it's Titusville.


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I quit reading after this dolt cited the 2% approval claim that has already been easily debunked.

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I quit reading after this dolt cited the 2% approval claim that has already been easily debunked.


Do you have a source for this?


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I quit reading after this dolt cited the 2% approval claim that has already been easily debunked.


Do you have a source for this?


It was actually in the original op-ed column. Emphasis added.

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This latest poll included 807 people nationwide, and only 89 blacks. As a result, there is a considerable margin or error -- and the findings should not be considered definitive until or unless they are validated by other polls.

David Bositis, a senior political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which tracks African American public opinion, told me this morning that it's clear that Bush's job approval among blacks "has taken a hit from both the ongoing things in Iraq and what happened with Katrina."

But down to 2 percent? "I doubt that it's actually 2," he said.

"But would I be surprised if it's 10 or 12? No." And 10, he said, is typically "about as low as you can go" when it comes to approval ratings.


The latest Washington Post/ABC News poll, released September 13, about two weeks after Katrina hit, found Bush's job approval among blacks at 14 percent, compared to 42 percent among the general population. Exit polls showed that 11 percent of black voters voted for Bush in November 2004.

[Late Update: The Pew Research Center is just out with its latest poll, which has a larger sample, and it finds Bush's approval rating among blacks at 12 percent, down only slightly from 14 in July. Here are those results (PDF Link).

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HaqDiesel Wrote:
Elvis Fu Wrote:
I quit reading after this dolt cited the 2% approval claim that has already been easily debunked.


Do you have a source for this?


of the 807 people polled, 89 were black = rather large margin of error

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00885.html


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Hats off to Condi's parents. They were able to protect their girl from the extreme racism in Birmingham. Pretty amazing. Is it just me or does insulating your child from racism seem impossible during that era not to mention this era? It seems the author is penalizing Condi for not hating her childhood.

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i am just happy that bush's overall approval rating is so low. my in laws are going to be eating some humble pie at christmas.

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How did she come to a worldview so radically different from that of most black Americans? Is she blind, is she in denial, is she confused -- or what?
She's an oreo, plain and simple.

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i am just happy that bush's overall approval rating is so low. my in laws are going to be eating some humble pie at christmas.


No they won't. They'll blame it all on "Bail Claynton and that dern Lib-Rul Meja"

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Hats off to Condi's parents. They were able to protect their girl from the extreme racism in Birmingham. Pretty amazing. Is it just me or does insulating your child from racism seem impossible during that era not to mention this era? It seems the author is penalizing Condi for not hating her childhood.


This is a silly article that's got me picturing Ellen Cleghorn and Tracy Morgan playing Ruby Dee & Ozzie Davis, railing against the "The Material Tempatations Of Our People, The Allure Of The White Man, Causing Dilution Of The Great Purpose." Or Something.

I'd rather dislike Condi for other reasons than having good parents or not being "sista" enough.


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I really can't stand the whole Uncle Tom argument.

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I really can't stand the whole Uncle Tom argument.



That's cos you can't see how effective Tommin is ;)

You should hate Condi for the following reasons:
1) That Bitch Sorry (she got a gap tooth so bad she could floss with a jump rope)
2) She was appinted provost of Stanford because of Affirmative Action, yet doesn't support AA>

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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You should hate Condi for the following reasons:
1) That Bitch Sorry (she got a gap tooth so bad she could floss with a jump rope)


So, you're saying, Dubya has a jump-rope in his pants... And he's always happy to see Condi for "Double Dutch"?


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Senator LooGAR's #9 Dream Wrote:
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You should hate Condi for the following reasons:
1) That Bitch Sorry (she got a gap tooth so bad she could floss with a jump rope)


So, you're saying, Dubya has a jump-rope in his pants... And he's always happy to see Condi for "Double Dutch"?


She ain't black enough to know how to Double Dutch ;)

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Senator LooGAR's #9 Dream Wrote:
Sergei Bubka Wrote:
Senator LooGAR's #9 Dream Wrote:
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You should hate Condi for the following reasons:
1) That Bitch Sorry (she got a gap tooth so bad she could floss with a jump rope)


So, you're saying, Dubya has a jump-rope in his pants... And he's always happy to see Condi for "Double Dutch"?


She ain't black enough to know how to Double Dutch ;)


If Sleater-Kinney know how to Double Dutch, then certainly Condi can.

She's blacker than those Northwest dykes.


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