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Does anyone know what the root word means? Humil? Or what?


humble (adj.)
c.1250, from O.Fr. humble, earlier humele, from L. humilis "lowly, humble," lit. "on the ground," from humus "earth." Senses of "not self-asserting" and "of low birth or rank" were both in M.E. The verb is c.1380 in the intrans. sense of "to render oneself humble;" 1484 in the trans. sense of "to lower (someone) in dignity."

To eat humble pie (1830) is from umble pie (1648), pie made from umbles "edible inner parts of an animal" (especially deer), considered a low-class food. The similar sense of similar-sounding words (the "h" of humble was not pronounced then) converged in the pun. Umbles, meanwhile, is M.E. numbles "offal" (with loss of n- through assimilation into preceding article), from O.Fr. nombles "loin, fillet," from L. lumulus, dim. of lumbus "loin."

humiliation
c.1386, from O.Fr. humiliation, from L.L. humiliationem (nom. humiliatio) "humbling, humiliation," from L. humiliare "to humble," from humilis "humble." Humiliate is c.1533, a back-formation of this.

humility
c.1315, from O.Fr. humilité, from L. humilitatem (nom. humilitas) "lowness, insignificance," in Church L. "meekness," from humilis "humble."


You forgot my favorite!
hummus n : a thick spread made from mashed chickpeas, tahini, lemon juice and garlic; used especially as a dip for pita; originated in the Middle East [syn: humus, hommos, hoummos, humous]

All chickpeas aside, I think hum means earth, and from there we get the concept of 'earthbound' or 'less than God', and then to self-depreciation.

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Does anyone know what the root word means? Humil? Or what?


humble (adj.)
c.1250, from O.Fr. humble, earlier humele, from L. humilis "lowly, humble," lit. "on the ground," from humus "earth." Senses of "not self-asserting" and "of low birth or rank" were both in M.E. The verb is c.1380 in the intrans. sense of "to render oneself humble;" 1484 in the trans. sense of "to lower (someone) in dignity."

To eat humble pie (1830) is from umble pie (1648), pie made from umbles "edible inner parts of an animal" (especially deer), considered a low-class food. The similar sense of similar-sounding words (the "h" of humble was not pronounced then) converged in the pun. Umbles, meanwhile, is M.E. numbles "offal" (with loss of n- through assimilation into preceding article), from O.Fr. nombles "loin, fillet," from L. lumulus, dim. of lumbus "loin."

humiliation
c.1386, from O.Fr. humiliation, from L.L. humiliationem (nom. humiliatio) "humbling, humiliation," from L. humiliare "to humble," from humilis "humble." Humiliate is c.1533, a back-formation of this.

humility
c.1315, from O.Fr. humilité, from L. humilitatem (nom. humilitas) "lowness, insignificance," in Church L. "meekness," from humilis "humble."


You forgot my favorite!
hummus n : a thick spread made from mashed chickpeas, tahini, lemon juice and garlic; used especially as a dip for pita; originated in the Middle East [syn: humus, hommos, hoummos, humous]
My favourite: hubris. (Although Hummus goes better with Pita bread.)

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Humility got the disciples laid from the Jew hippies. It's a pretty effective strategy.


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As of today, we can officially call Obner the "Land of Misfit Toys".


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perspective on humility from "Dr. Paul T.P. Wong" (hoo lawdee):

http://www.meaning.ca/articles/presiden ... _nov03.htm


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As of today, we can officially call Obner the "Land of Misfit Toys".


As of today?

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I'm sort of moody. Sometimes I'm shy and sometimes I'm outgoing, and it's completely unpredictable to me.


Oh, and I don't do public speaking. I will speak up in meetings because I like to have my voice heard, but I have a difficult time getting up in front of people to speak. Primarily because I don't like to have attention drawn my way. People who have met me may have a different impression, but that's how I view myself.


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I always thought it was funny to accuse all of you of having no social lives, but I guess it's true.

If we had social lives, we wouldn't be here.

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I do start to feel a little anxiety since I have pretty much no interest in sports and have nothing to contribute to the discussion.


Man, I'm the same way with cars and sex. I'm not a prude or anything in my personal life, but I always feel uncomfortable when I'm hanging out with a bunch of guys and they get really vulgar about girls we know or girls who are wherever we're at. not your typical guys-talking-about-chicks, but when it gets like.....degrading. totally awkward. Oh, and I don't know anything about cars, so that's always weird too.


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I feel awkard in just about any social situation. I was never into sports, looked geeky, didn't like talking trash about women...all that stuff. Now that I'm 38 though, I've gotten better about it. Took a long time though.

I still don't like sports and don't like talking trash about women, but I've learned that I like myself just fine that way. I guess thats what made it easier. I recognized that when I felt awkward around people, it was usually because they weren't people that I liked much.

Goddamn, doesn't that sound like some new age horseshit.

But though I'm less awkard than I used to be, it doesn't mean that I'm less clueless....

Last week I invited a girl I met out to a movie with me, just so we could hang out and talk for a while. I didn't realize until I picked her up and saw her made up and perfumed, that what I had done was ask her out on a date. I'm wearing jeans and flannel, and it was one of those 'oh shit...' moments.

Worked out well enough anyway though, even though I was hopelessly awkward once I figured out what I had done. I guess she thought it was cute.

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As of today, we can officially call Obner the "Land of Misfit Toys".

No wonder I feel so at home here.

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Whofa King cares Wrote:
Senator LooGAR, TX Monger Wrote:
I always thought it was funny to accuse all of you of having no social lives, but I guess it's true.

If we had social lives, we wouldn't be here.

Doesn't that apply to most of you married types? ;)

I go out way too much. It's when I'm working a lot or taking care of an elderly parent that I tend to want to chill at home. And my friends used to get pissed off when I didn't want to attend their parties or go out with them. Sorry, but I'm selfish with the free time I do have and prefer to do something that I find interesting vs sitting in a boring party full of their friends I don't find interesting.

I'm too social to be shy these days. Of course, my friends who didn't know me in the early years laugh when I tell them I used to be shy.


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I'm sort of moody. Sometimes I'm shy and sometimes I'm outgoing, and it's completely unpredictable to me.


Oh, and I don't do public speaking. I will speak up in meetings because I like to have my voice heard, but I have a difficult time getting up in front of people to speak. Primarily because I don't like to have attention drawn my way. People who have met me may have a different impression, but that's how I view myself.

this describes me to a tee in regards to public speaking. i HATE having all the attention on me.

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love the public speaking. wouldn't mind actually being good at it one day.

"hello ladies and gentleman, i'd like to dispel some rumors here today: i am, in fact, running against senator loogar for mayor of the isle of the misfit toys."


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katie, a princess Wrote:
love the public speaking. wouldn't mind actually being good at it one day.

"hello ladies and gentleman, i'd like to dispel some rumors here today: i am, in fact, running against senator loogar for mayor of the isle of the misfit toys."


which accent will you be using for this?


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katie, a princess Wrote:
love the public speaking. wouldn't mind actually being good at it one day.

"hello ladies and gentleman, i'd like to dispel some rumors here today: i am, in fact, running against senator loogar for mayor of the isle of the misfit toys."


He's not a toy, he's the 'Bumble.

I bet Kon can lick a mean pickaxe, too.

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I'm a little contradictory on this one:

Apparently as a kid I wouldn't even go nextdoor to ask the neighbours for something---I would just refuse. I also remember hating having to call strangers or go up to store clerks, but I've gotten over that. Apparently though, I was always fine with getting up on stage to sing or perform.

Similarly, I'm quite outgoing with 1-2 people who I know, but if I'm talking to a group of people who I don't know well and suddenly the attention is on me and what I'm saying, I just kind of can't do it. I get too shy & self-conscious and have trouble talking.

I wouldn't say I've got serious social anxiety but sometimes being around too many people is just too much for me. I just generally don't like "scenes"; e.g. getting into some kind of tense conversation with someone in public, like in a restaurant.

I really think it has to do with the introverted/extroverted thing.

heh heh... found this one on a site with Morrissey quotes the other day:

Jools Holland: "Knock Knock!"
Morrissey: "I'm not in!"
Jools: "Oh, come on."
Morrissey: "I refuse to open the door."



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I did. I used to get really bad panic attacks. Did therapy and now on meds. I hate the fact that I am on meds and don't know if I will ever be comfortable with it.

But on the other hand, I have done some things and achieved more than I think I would have if I would have stayed in my shell.

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making really lame jokes helps, it me feel more comfortable round strangers if i can get them to laugh - its a godd shield


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I'd rather stay a social misfit than go around acting like a badass. There's already too many assholes like that as it is...
I'm not religious, but...amen!


I don't act like an asshole, but I learn not to take shit from anyone, or let someone's opinion disparage me. It all depends on how you carry yourself, how you are able to persuade people, how you can satisfy all sides, while not taking away your own personal integrity.


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Caring for Your Introvert



The habits and needs of a little-understood group
by Jonathan Rauch

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Do you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an introvert on your hands—and that you aren't caring for him properly. Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain scans, that introverts process information differently from other people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

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I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.

Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am not morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long conversations that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests. But at last I have self-identified and come out to my friends and colleagues. In doing so, I have found myself liberated from any number of damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Now I am here to tell you what you need to know in order to respond sensitively and supportively to your own introverted family members, friends, and colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with every day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person nuts. It pays to learn the warning signs.

What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the expression. Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on," we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm okay, you're okay—in small doses."

How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on this question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer: About 25 percent. Or: Just under half. Or—my favorite—"a minority in the regular population but a majority in the gifted population."

Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in life. "It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an introvert," write the education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa Kaenzig. (They are also the source of the quotation in the previous paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people. They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and yipping.

Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing, extroverts are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which only the garrulous are really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush. Look at Bill Clinton. They seem to come fully to life only around other people. To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top in politics—Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon—is merely to drive home the point. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled aloofness and privateness were probably signs of a deep introverted streak (many actors, I've read, are introverts, and many introverts, when socializing, feel like actors), introverts are not considered "naturals" in politics.

Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we introverts ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more peaceful sort of place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still?" (He is also supposed to have said, "If you don't say anything, you won't be called on to repeat it." The only thing a true introvert dislikes more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)

With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also dominate social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our extrovertist society, being outgoing is considered normal and therefore desirable, a mark of happiness, confidence, leadership. Extroverts are seen as bighearted, vibrant, warm, empathic. "People person" is a compliment. Introverts are described with words like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn," "self-contained," "private"—narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest emotional parsimony and smallness of personality. Female introverts, I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles, particularly in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being what they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women, lacking that alternative, are even more likely than men to be perceived as timid, withdrawn, haughty.

Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts. Also, it is probably due to our lack of small talk, a lack that extroverts often mistake for disdain. We tend to think before talking, whereas extroverts tend to think by talking, which is why their meetings never last less than six hours. "Introverts," writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an online review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction by the semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts don't outwardly complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse the darkness." Just so.

The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the etiquette books—written, no doubt, by extroverts—regard declining to banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit, it will not be impolite to say "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful person and I like you. But now please shush."

How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and respect his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's the matter?" or "Are you all right?"

Third, don't say anything else, either.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200303/rauch


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I'd rather stay a social misfit than go around acting like a badass. There's already too many assholes like that as it is...
I'm not religious, but...amen!


I don't act like an asshole, but I learn not to take shit from anyone, or let someone's opinion disparage me. It all depends on how you carry yourself, how you are able to persuade people, how you can satisfy all sides, while not taking away your own personal integrity.

I think the key phrase here used is 'acting like a badass. I've met a lot of people that try to relieve their anxiety by pretending to be more than they are. Not quite the same thing as you're describing.

Badasses never have to act like a badass, they just are. Its a vibe.

I heard an interview with Johnny Cash a while back where he said he envied Elvis Presley because Elvis had charisma. As if Cash didn't...

They both had charisma but it was expressed in different ways, Cash would have looked like a fool if he tried to emulate Elvis, because he wasn't Elvis. But Cash could still take over a stage.

I'm not sure there's a cure for social anxiety. Like I said earlier, I suffered from it for a long time. I still do on occassion, but nowhere near as often. The key for me was being truly comfortable with myself, both the good stuff and the bad stuff. I assume you have flaws and make mistakes. Once I learned that, then I stopped analyzing myself through other people's eyes.


Sure you can feel awkward because of them, but whats the point? Everyone makes mistakes. How do you reacti when you see someone trip while walking up the stairs, or some other faux pas. Usually, I'm worried that they're all right, I don't watch and think to myself 'What an idiot!' If I laugh, its usually because its something truly funny, and usually something I've done myself so I can relate to it. Its not a cruel laugh, and usually the other person is laughing too.

I was always terrified of public speaking too. Now I'm teaching, and enjoying it a lot. Once I figured out that I had stuff to say that I thought was worth saying and wanted others to hear, it was easy. Public speaking is really hard when you are either not sure what your message is, or don't feel like its important enough to speak up for. Its also hard when you have a hostile audience, but that happens a lot less often than you'd think.

Someone once recommended to me to go out to a public place, and deliberately make a mistake. I never had the guts to do it then, but I'm pretty comfortable making mistakes in public now. Hell, I usually make two or three each time I teach a class. Hasn't killed me yet.

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I'd rather stay a social misfit than go around acting like a badass. There's already too many assholes like that as it is...
I'm not religious, but...amen!
I don't act like an asshole, but I learn not to take shit from anyone, or let someone's opinion disparage me. It all depends on how you carry yourself, how you are able to persuade people, how you can satisfy all sides, while not taking away your own personal integrity.
Yeah, you can carry yourself with confidence ("badass") without being an asshole; you can also carry yourself with confidence without having to carry yourself like a badass -- it's a fine line between being a badass and being an asshole, a line I prefer to stay very far away from. Billy The Kid syndrome could set in (everyone wanted to "draw" with Billy The Kid because he had a reputation for being a badass).

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