Def Leppard
Ryan Adams
White Stripes
Genesis
Ozzy Osbourne
Boston
Kiss
Journey
Kanye West
Justin Timberlake
Kelly Clarkson
Big 'n' Rich

This list could go on and on. Obner defends pretty much everything, no matter how shitty or how popular it may be. Drives me a little crazy - I only wish we were as elitist as Loogs and Oldbullee are claiming.

That's the most idiotic thing that you've ever posted. Please spew forth the immense "culturing" of your 12-year-old palate, O Judge.

And I liked hair metal far past 12.

I'll rest easier if you'd also admit that they are not necessarily equal demons. As for movies, tv and books, most of what I listened to or read I can still enjoy for the most part. Cheers, comic books, Stir Crazy all seem pretty good to me at 32. I'm not ashamed of anything I like, what the hell do I care about what you all think? That someone thinks something I enjoy is shitty is not exactly world altering.

And what's with THEM? Did THEY rape your grandmother or something?





Did you read my other posts? I don't disagree with you that they are part of the same template. I happen to not LIKE Bon Jovi's songs. Why if i like Def Leppard MUST I LIKE Bon Jovi? By that metric, you must like ALL punk. Did you enjoy every single punk bank? By your own account, in the thread about Pere Ubu and The Dead Boys, you thought the latter band was "pretty substandard punk". Can I at least think that while I enjoy pop-metal as you enjoy punk, that I think Bon Jovi was "pretty substandard" as well, if I use your words? I'm not trying to be the defender of all things pop-metal, but you keep harping on how Bon Jovi MUST be included. Fine, include them, I don't give a fuck, it's not like I'm going to lose sleep over their inclusion in a genre I like.

Good try, on the death metal thing, dear boy, but the Beatles argument is relevant here cos he admitted to liking almost all other kinds of similar music, just not the Beatles "cos everyone seems to go ga-ga over them."

Comments like the Aldo Nova v. Def Leppard illustrate my point, especially the phrase 'PEOPLE WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO ALDO NOVA WERE LISTENING TO DEF LEPPARD"
Therefore, one can conclude that these two bands are similar, but Def Leppard was popular, so therefore they can't be good, but this band that sounds just like them, but no one has ever heard of? THEY RULE!!

What about The White Stripes? What was their Shmoo rank with white Blood Cells...wanna bet $100K that the new one doesn't make anyone's list but Konstantin's?

What about Franz Ferdinand? When I first joined CMJ they were like next to the Wrens in terms of hype, but everyone here just so happens to begin ignoring them when the new one came out.

What about Wilco or The Strokes?

Wilco was #1 on the Jack Mehoff polls in this piece a while ago, but AGIB is only really liked by a small and vocal few.

Fuck, Radiohead gets MORE POPULAR here as they get less so in the outside world.


And Rads, I don't think its elitism as much as its just and inate desire to be up on all the shit no one's ever heard of.

God bless you.

As far as the Stripes and Ryan Adams. They're popularity has only decreased here.

To take bulee's example, the decemberists, i think he's wrong.

2002:
34. DECEMBERISTS - CASTAWAYS AND CUTOUTS (25)

The 2003 list isn't archived here, but I guaran-damn-tee that "Her Majesty" (a worse album, IMO) did better than that, and I'd put a couple bucks on their new one doing even better.

The White Stripes have strayed pretty far from the sound of White Blood Cells, and I have no problem saying that I didn't think Elephant was very strong and I think the new one is even weaker. The live show is still great.

I still like the Strokes' stuff, but they're not nearly as exciting as they were when "Is This It?" came out... they've kept putting out good albums, but nothing worth making a fuss about.

Wilco's last album was #6 on the Shmoo poll! Is that not high enough for you? Since YHF got #1, does this one have to as well to prove an absence of backlash?

And I think that if you look at album sales, you'll find yourself dead wrong about Radiohead's waning popularity.

So that proves? I bet the new one finishes lower than Her Majesty. Let's bet.

i think that's peoples' desire here, no doubt. at the same time, i don't think many "unknowns" get brought up because people hate seeing their threads sink. the thread sink because nobody listens to said unknown bands.

so, while the inate desire to "discover" unknown bands on this board runs high, there is very little desire from some folk to actually check out said unknown.

It's a bet. 2 paypal dollars.

And yes, when the 2003 rankings are listed, I will have proved you wrong as to your statement about the Decemberists, absolutely. As they became better-known, their ranking here increased.

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My 12-year-old palate was, ahem, the palate of a TWELVE YEAR OLD. Y'see, the way it normally works is that there's this thing called maturation, during which one's perspective widens through a natural process of learning and personal challenge.

And I know you sit around reading Henry James these days, instead of those Archie Double Digests and the Sears Catalogue underwear section

All great art is Us vs. Them. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you're THEM.

I agree with this .

And Haq, is it your position that not a single attitude of a single member towards a single band has ever changed for the negative after said band's popularity increased?

no, it's just that the inverse popularity generally-to-popularity here relationship is all in your head.

i just asked for examples to see if you could point out the trend consistently as to even one member.

And I did.

i nominate this thread for the worst argument ever on obner.

In some weird twist unbecoming to a curmudgeon like me, I agree with both sides.

Funny thing is I agree with both sides. I just haven't been presenting myself that way because I keep getting lost in the argument. But I was trying to convey as much in my earlier post on this subject.

Whoah, hold the wedding. How did Modest Mouse and I get lumped into this? I can't recall every posting anything about Modest Mouse, except for the hilarious observation that they're featured prominently on Kidz Bop.

Def Leppard sucked. They had to fire their guitar player because he sucked so bad he couldn't play the solos on Pyromania.

I'll take exception for Radcliffe calling out Ozzy, Diary of Madman is a tremendous record, blows the crap out of Blizzard.

Arguments like this are always the same:

I make an absolutely bulletproof contention
Haq, never being comfortable with anyone being this much smarter or more logical than him, takes an opposite position.
He further erodes the credibility of his arguments by using archane legalese, and then claiming that my aforementioned bulletproff contention is wrong because it does not fit the paradigm of his argument.
I gloat and go to lunch
He complains to others offline that I am an a-hole

no he says nothing but beatuiful and poetic things about you

All great art = you go to it, it doesn't come to you.