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I know some of my inlaws will see this , but I can't ever imagine wanting to see a movie recreation of any events of 9/11. I've read nothing but good stuff about the handling of the film, but it's beyong me why anyone would submit to watching this movie?

It's also interesting that this is some part of the coping process in our country: make it into a film to digest it.

How about any of you? Are you going? Why or why not? Do you buy popcorn and snacks?


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Hits a little too close to home for me. I went to our memorial garden instead.


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I won't watch this. It's too soon. I can barely get through the trailer.


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Are the producers of this movie donating profits to any kind of relief or are the motives for this purely to capitalize off of the tragedy


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Are the producers of this movie donating profits to any kind of relief or are the motives for this purely to capitalize off of the tragedy


The cynical side of me suspects they'll donate everything, with great publicity and fanfare, and this whole project is nothing more than to win awards and to establish their names and credentials.


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Are the producers of this movie donating profits to any kind of relief or are the motives for this purely to capitalize off of the tragedy


If I know my America, it's gotta be some of this: Image

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Are the producers of this movie donating profits to any kind of relief or are the motives for this purely to capitalize off of the tragedy


I think that the families of the victims have moved beyond that phase of their coping. Remember that they tried to copyright "Let's roll"? That didn't work out for them that well... I'm thinking, then, that the cost of production will be recouped -- and, I know, Hollywood accounting is a messy game -- and after that, some percentage of profit will go to recompense the families.


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knoblauch, p.i. Wrote:
Spade Kitty Wrote:
Are the producers of this movie donating profits to any kind of relief or are the motives for this purely to capitalize off of the tragedy


I think that the families of the victims have moved beyond that phase of their coping. Remember that they tried to copyright "Let's roll"? That didn't work out for them that well... I'm thinking, then, that the cost of production will be recouped -- and, I know, Hollywood accounting is a messy game -- and after that, some percentage of profit will go to recompense the families.


IIRC, they attempted to copyright "Let's Roll" to prevent people like Bobby Bowden from exploiting it as a football catch-phrase, no?


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I think they're donating 10 percent of opening weekend. Something like that.


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Are the producers of this movie donating profits to any kind of relief or are the motives for this purely to capitalize off of the tragedy


I think that the families of the victims have moved beyond that phase of their coping. Remember that they tried to copyright "Let's roll"? That didn't work out for them that well... I'm thinking, then, that the cost of production will be recouped -- and, I know, Hollywood accounting is a messy game -- and after that, some percentage of profit will go to recompense the families.


IIRC, they attempted to copyright "Let's Roll" to prevent people like Bobby Bowden from exploiting it as a football catch-phrase, no?


I don't recall that... Could be. But, you have to think just a little to know that, a, the phrase is not part-and-parcel to commerce, i.e. it's not a restaurant chain's or breadmaker's jingle, b, considering a, and considering that let's roll is one of the more common vernacular plural first person commands, it would be impossible to police usage and know when such use would merit a repayment for borrowing of copyrighted material.

So, I don't see the how of copyrighting the phrase.


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"United 93 is a smash hit!" - Earl Dittman, Wireless Magazines

"United 93 is a wild ride!" - Pete Hammond, Maxim

"United 93 is an up-and-down roller coaster that will leave you breathless!" Shawn Edwards, FOX-TV

"United 93 is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners thriller!" - Jeff Craig, 60 Second Preview


- from a friend's LJ (Shotfrog).

Yeah, I have absolutely no interest in seeing this, but I'm glad to read that the film has been done in a respectful, objective manner, rather than, you know, making it a Tony Scott film. I really like the director (did Bourne Supremacy), but the content is just not something I feel obligated or compelled to see.


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I have no problem with making films about tragedies. However, five years later is faaaar too soon.

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the whole freakout over this is retarded. We're reminded of 9/11 every single day, usually by our government on top of whatever personal notes we might make. It's a shame, but it's still open for interpretation. If your sensitive to it, don't see it. I'm not seeing it because I have no fucking desire to. They have the cooperation of all the families of the departed though, so who is anyone to bitch?


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"United 93 is a smash hit!" - Earl Dittman, Wireless Magazines

"United 93 is a wild ride!" - Pete Hammond, Maxim

"United 93 is an up-and-down roller coaster that will leave you breathless!" Shawn Edwards, FOX-TV

"United 93 is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners thriller!" - Jeff Craig, 60 Second Preview


These are real review phrases? If these are true, this seems way worse than making a movie about it. What horrible puns about this tragedy. That is awful.

I will probably go see this. It's much like going to see films about the holocaust or something. I don't expect that this movie was made or was intended to be made as an "action flick". From my understand, those who made it were doing it to honor those on that flight that stood up and did something.

I think there is some benefit in reminding ones self of the horror and the severity of such a situation so we don't "forget". I think this is why there are so many documentaries and hollywood films that continue to come out about the holocaust. To constantly remind people that this should never happen again.

I think you can over-remind, for sure. In my college years I used to work in North Carolina during the summer. One summer in particular one of my friends, a beach lifeguard, had a side job and a pilots license. In his free time he used to fly those planes with the ads attached to them. Apparently, when you go to land, you descend like you are landing and then you unhook the sign, circle around, and then come in for the actual landing. However, when he pulled up from unhooking the sign, the plane stalled and flipped upside down crashing on the top killing my friend. We were all deeply saddened and horrified that this 24 year old guy died like this. However, we were even more outraged by the fact that all the local stations in the area were repeatedly playing the last radio communication with the tower which said, "oh my god, I'm gonna die". It was so unnecessary and rude to do this, IMO. All this to say, there is a hard line to distinguish about what is ok and what is not in relation to events like these. If I felt like United 93 was made as strictly a money-maker and for entertainment value only, then I would never go see it. However, I haven't gotten that impression. It's just like when I watched that Documentary made by those brothers that were documenting the Fire house that actually was one of the first places inside the towers after the planes hit. They obviously are trying to make money, it's their job, their profession. But just because you make money from something does not mean it is necessarily an exploitation of the particular thing.

Anyway, I am rambling.


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OPA! Wrote:
I won't watch this. It's too soon. I can barely get through the trailer.


This is a common sentiment. Out of curiosity, I checked out some other timeframes for movies and the preceding event:

All the President's Men - 1976 (Watergate break-in 1972, Nixon's resignation 1974) 2 YEARS

The Deer Hunter - 1978, Apocalypse Now - 1979 (Viet Nam war ends in 1975) 3-4 YEARS

And I believe that WWII movies were being made before WWII even ended! (Casablanca was filmed in 1942--a love story more than a war movie....)

Now I am not equating the subject matter or the film styles, but I'm curious as to when enough time will have passed?

In some ways, September 10th seems like a long, long time ago....but we are still living as though it was September 12th....


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OPA! Wrote:
I won't watch this. It's too soon. I can barely get through the trailer.


This is a common sentiment. Out of curiosity, I checked out some other timeframes for movies and the preceding event:

All the President's Men - 1976 (Watergate break-in 1972, Nixon's resignation 1974) 2 YEARS

The Deer Hunter - 1978, Apocalypse Now - 1979 (Viet Nam war ends in 1975) 3-4 YEARS

And I believe that WWII movies were being made before WWII even ended! (Casablanca was filmed in 1942--a love story more than a war movie....)

Now I am not equating the subject matter or the film styles, but I'm curious as to when enough time will have passed?

In some ways, September 10th seems like a long, long time ago....but we are still living as though it was September 12th....


Also, they were repeatedly showing the footage obtained of the holocaust in the United States before the war was over, and it has hardly ceased. There is a whole holocaust museum in multiple parts of this country that don't just let you light a candle, you actually SEE the stuff that went on.

Thanks for that post. I think that helps me. I have never really understood the "it's too soon" remark. Not that I disagree necessarily, I just don't know what people's timeframes are, or even what that means.


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I just can't wait for 'World Trade Center' by that propagandist Oliver Stone.

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seamonster Wrote:
OPA! Wrote:
I won't watch this. It's too soon. I can barely get through the trailer.


This is a common sentiment. Out of curiosity, I checked out some other timeframes for movies and the preceding event:

All the President's Men - 1976 (Watergate break-in 1972, Nixon's resignation 1974) 2 YEARS

The Deer Hunter - 1978, Apocalypse Now - 1979 (Viet Nam war ends in 1975) 3-4 YEARS

And I believe that WWII movies were being made before WWII even ended! (Casablanca was filmed in 1942--a love story more than a war movie....)

Now I am not equating the subject matter or the film styles, but I'm curious as to when enough time will have passed?

In some ways, September 10th seems like a long, long time ago....but we are still living as though it was September 12th....


Also, they were repeatedly showing the footage obtained of the holocaust in the United States before the war was over, and it has hardly ceased. There is a whole holocaust museum in multiple parts of this country that don't just let you light a candle, you actually SEE the stuff that went on.

Thanks for that post. I think that helps me. I have never really understood the "it's too soon" remark. Not that I disagree necessarily, I just don't know what people's timeframes are, or even what that means.


I honestly get chills everytime the trailer is on TV. My opinion is that they should wait at least until our so-called war on terror is over before making this sort of movie. All this terrorist crap has monopolized our lives for the last 4 years and I think people are tired of it. I don't see the point for making this movie right now.


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OPA! Wrote:
I won't watch this. It's too soon. I can barely get through the trailer.


I find it painful to watch also.

There's no way I'm going to see this either. It's just too much.

I am curious however how well it survives at the Box Office, for I wonder how many other Americans may feel the same we way we do.

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I just can't wait for 'World Trade Center' by that propagandist Oliver Stone.


I could see this being good, but I like a lot of his movies.

I think I might see this movie, just to know find out what happens to the people in the plane.

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seamonster Wrote:

This is a common sentiment. Out of curiosity, I checked out some other timeframes for movies and the preceding event:

All the President's Men - 1976 (Watergate break-in 1972, Nixon's resignation 1974) 2 YEARS

The Deer Hunter - 1978, Apocalypse Now - 1979 (Viet Nam war ends in 1975) 3-4 YEARS

And I believe that WWII movies were being made before WWII even ended! (Casablanca was filmed in 1942--a love story more than a war movie....)


I'm not sure those are comparable. Watergate was hardly a tragedy. And most WWII movies were movies about battles. More triumphant than tragic. You're right about the Vietnam movies though, but again they aren't about specific real events.

We still haven't had a fictional film about Columbine or the WTC bombings or even JFK's assassination. Sure, there have been films about Jim Garrison and the conspiracy theories, but no film recreating the actual events.

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We still haven't had a fictional film about Columbine


Well, have you seen Elephant? There were many many comparisons to Columbine in this movie. Even down to events and locations and methods used. It wasn't called "Columbine" but it was certainly a movie about it.


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Senator NMI LooGAR Wrote:
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I just can't wait for 'World Trade Center' by that propagandist Oliver Stone.


I could see this being good, but I like a lot of his movies.

I think I might see this movie, just to know find out what happens to the people in the plane.


GAH.


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the whole freakout over this is retarded. We're reminded of 9/11 every single day, usually by our government on top of whatever personal notes we might make. It's a shame, but it's still open for interpretation. If your sensitive to it, don't see it. I'm not seeing it because I have no fucking desire to. They have the cooperation of all the families of the departed though, so who is anyone to bitch?



These are my sentiments exactly. Why is everyone so damn sensitive to this? We've seen this played out thousands of times on the news.

If not now, when?

The families are 100% behind this. If they can deal with it why can't the general public.

Not all movies are made just for entertainment purposes. Some can be cathartic.


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Not all movies are made just for entertainment purposes. Some can be cathartic.


See, I would agree with this if we weren't still in Iraq. If we weren't still dealing with the threat of terrorism.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were made in 10/20 years or until after things settle down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For it to be cathartic, I think they're needs to be some closure and I don't see any with everything that's still going on.


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