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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:47 am 
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Excellent piece from Lou Dobbs this AM re: political stupidity.

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By Lou Dobbs
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Wednesday, June 7, 2006; Posted: 9:09 a.m. EDT (13:09 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush this week urged Congress to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, at a time when the United States faces some of the greatest challenges in our nation's history.

So, logically, what could possibly better ensure the prosperous and bright future of working men and women and their families than for the Senate to work on a constitutional amendment that is guaranteed to fail?

It's clear that cynical, patronizing White House political strategists are trying to rally a conservative base that they believe is more base than conservative. They're wrong on all counts.

We're fighting a war against radical Islamist terrorists with ongoing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, we're drowning in debt from our growing record trade and budget deficits and we're watching our public education system fail a generation of students. Congress has yet to act on an effective solution to our illegal immigration crisis as millions of illegal aliens flood our borders every year, and our nation's borders and ports are still woefully insecure, four and a half years after the September 11 attacks.

I believe most Americans are far more concerned about their declining real wages and the lack of real creation of quality jobs than the insulting insertion of wedge issues into the national dialogue and political agenda.

But President Bush and the Senate have decided they should take up a constitutional ban of gay marriage. Polls tell us most of us oppose gay marriage. Those same polls are also shouting to our elected representatives in Washington that we want real leadership and real solutions to real problems.

The president and the Senate's Republican leadership are now claiming that an amendment to our Constitution is necessary to save the American family. No matter how you feel about the issue, and many of us feel deeply, a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage is utter and complete nonsense. It's an insult to the intelligence of every voter, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative.

The president and the Senate are focusing on one of the few reasons that has not been proven to cause divorce. They instead should look to financial hardships, and the lack of communication about family finances. The median family income is stagnating while gasoline costs and higher interest rates are eating up the family budget.

Nor is the Senate looking at the national tragedy of out-of-wedlock births: In seven states, more than 40 percent of our children are born out of wedlock. Nationally, more than one out of three of our children are born to unmarried parents.

Both political parties love to excite and enliven their so-called "bases" by focusing on wedge issues like gay marriage, abortion, gun control, school prayer and flag burning. Both the Republicans and Democrats raise these issues to distract and divert public attention from the pressing issues that affect our way of life and our nation's future.

Are these wedge issues really how Congress should be spending its time, especially given how little time politicians spend in Washington, D.C., these days? I'd rather see our 535 elected representatives and this president use their time to combat poverty, fix our crumbling schools, secure our broken borders and ports and hold employers accountable for hiring illegal aliens. And like millions of Americans, I am desperate for a resolution to our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How can we tolerate elected officials who press wedge issues when 37 million people in the United States live in poverty, one in every eight Americans? Almost 18 percent of children under the age of 18 live in poverty -- 13 million children.

Nearly 46 million people live without health insurance, about 16 percent of the population, a number that has risen by 6 million since 2000. More than one in 10 children are uninsured, and one-quarter of people with incomes below $25,000 also lack any health insurance.

College costs are skyrocketing. There's been a 40 percent jump (inflation-adjusted) in tuition and fees at public four-year colleges and universities over the past five years, according to the College Board. The costs for brand-name prescription drugs have also increased twice as fast as the rate of inflation. In fact, over the past six years, the average rise in the price of brand-name drugs is 40 percent, according to the AARP.

But while these increases in the price of the basics make it harder for hard-working men and women to make ends meet, the president and Congress would rather drive wedge issues than work toward real solutions.

I wonder if the president's political advisers know just how ill-advised and smarmy this wedge issue looks to the millions of us who want solutions to the critical, urgent problems facing this nation. Worse, I wonder if they even care.


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True dat.

And can you believe that they are considering reconsidering the legalization of gay marriage here in good old "lefty" Canaduh?

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i think gay marriage should be illegal. It's a slippery slope. I mean, first we let them get married . . . but then what? What happens next? Next thing you know gays are all grumpy and stop caring about how they dress. then what good are they?

I support president Bush on this important issue.

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Good read. Although a bit depressing.


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I think we need to separate the act of marriage from the legal aspect of shared property and inheritance. Alot of Gays just want the right of marriage so they can be guaranteed the same privileges of a heterosexual widow or widower and a spouse in a divorce hearing. As of now a homosexual partner is not being counted as a spouse for employee health insurance and things like Social Security benefits.

Ben Nelson of Nebraska was going to support this because he is courting conservative voters for the upcoming election. I don't necessarily agree with his decision, but understand he's just playing the game of politics real well right now.

I'm just afraid that Republicans are using this to make the mid-term election a single issue election that favors them rather then the referendum on their failure to lead and sustain this country at the Clinton era levels, which was helping the Democrats out. If they pull it out due to this gay marriage ban stunt, I might have to join Gauchebag abroad.

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it's just an election-year thing. sure, bush&co believe gays shouldn't marry, but it's a way to bring the conservatives out to vote. worked for bush in 2004, why not pick this up every 2 years...

but i think bush is making a big mistake. (what's new?) if gays could marry imagine the huge amounts of cash that'd flood our economy??

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Banning gay marriage is so 2004 pre-election. :? Oh, wait...

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it's always a good way to get people to talk about anything but the important issues of the day.

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paladisiac Wrote:
but i think bush is making a big mistake. (what's new?) if gays could marry imagine the huge amounts of cash that'd flood our economy??


But then we'd be recognizing that they're humans with basic human rights just like straight people! It would be complete chaos.


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As a straight religous man, I couldn't care less about OPA making the Mormon an honest man. As long as each religion is still allowed to define marriage within their own parameters, let the Gays marry.


I'm sure in 10 years, they'll wonder why they fought for the right to ruin their lives, and say to themselves, "Remember the good ole days when nobody had expectations to get married and I could just leave Bruce without giving that lazy bitch half of my hard earned pay."

Be careful what you wish for my same sex lovin' friends.

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oldbullee Wrote:
"Remember the good ole days when nobody had expectations to get married and I could just leave Bruce without giving that lazy bitch half of my hard earned pay."


heh.


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sometimes it feels like the gay marriage issue is like arguing over how to decorate a cake.

i saw a frontline last night about the ONE last abortion clinic in the entire state of mississippi. ONE. now that's scary. if those asshole legislatures put half the energy into public education that they do into trying to outlaw abortion that state might be able to rise out of the dregs.

THIS is a problem.

gay rights need to be continually addressed. we need equal rights in terms of insurance and spousal rights and benefits and the right to live our lives safely but for me personally women's health rights really overshadow the gay marriage thing. sorry, i'm venting. this episode really got my biscuits burning.


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sometimes it feels like the gay marriage issue is like arguing over how to decorate a cake.

i saw a frontline last night about the ONE last abortion clinic in the entire state of mississippi. ONE. now that's scary. if those asshole legislatures put half the energy into public education that they do into trying to outlaw abortion that state might be able to rise out of the dregs.

THIS is a problem.

gay rights need to be continually addressed. we need equal rights in terms of insurance and spousal rights and benefits and the right to live our lives safely but for me personally women's health rights really overshadow the gay marriage thing. sorry, i'm venting. this episode really got my biscuits burning.


South Dakota has one abortion clinic in the whole state and it is ran by a doctor from Minnesota who only does abortions one day a month. I couldn't believe they passed such a strict ban, when they had so few done in the conservative state to begin with. It seems like a waste of time.


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oldbullee Wrote:
As a straight religous man, I couldn't care less about OPA making the Mormon an honest man. As long as each religion is still allowed to define marriage within their own parameters, let the Gays marry.


I'm sure in 10 years, they'll wonder why they fought for the right to ruin their lives, and say to themselves, "Remember the good ole days when nobody had expectations to get married and I could just leave Bruce without giving that lazy bitch half of my hard earned pay."

Be careful what you wish for my same sex lovin' friends.


Personally, I don't ever see myself getting married, but I'd at least like to have that option just in case. I see myself being with one man and settling down later on in my life and perhaps sharing my life with him like any couple would, living together, perhaps even adopting a child, etc.

It's a shame that I can't be free to marry someone I love and in a way, have soured on religious people because of it. I never really had a problem with religious people until I finally came out and they started treating me differently.

Oh well...it is what it is.


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i love when people actually make the slippery slope argument . . . the "next people will be marying animals!"

those people have sick, twisted fucked up minds.

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South Dakota has one abortion clinic in the whole state and it is ran by a doctor from Minnesota who only does abortions one day a month. I couldn't believe they passed such a strict ban, when they had so few done in the conservative state to begin with. It seems like a waste of time.


south dakota is the worst. i'm not even sure if that one clinic is in operation any more. the majority of doctors performing abortions in mississippi fly in from out of state as well since doctors have been killed and harrassed there.

what was a waste of time? passing the bill?


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i love when people actually make the slippery slope argument . . . the "next people will be marrying animals!"

those people have sick, twisted fucked up minds.


better amend the constitution, just in case.

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it didn't pass

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/07/ ... index.html

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now those silly bitches should get back to work.


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ayah Wrote:
now those silly bitches should get back to work.


on what? things seem to be going pretty well.

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Legalized bigotry?
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ayah Wrote:
sometimes it feels like the gay marriage issue is like arguing over how to decorate a cake.

i saw a frontline last night about the ONE last abortion clinic in the entire state of mississippi. ONE. now that's scary. if those asshole legislatures put half the energy into public education that they do into trying to outlaw abortion that state might be able to rise out of the dregs..


This is frighteningly ignorant of the issues of the rural south and that has nothing do with my thoughts on abortion but I bet that abortion clinic isn't exactly in high demand like elsewhere in the U.S. so the point is probably moot.

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oldbullee Wrote:
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sometimes it feels like the gay marriage issue is like arguing over how to decorate a cake.

i saw a frontline last night about the ONE last abortion clinic in the entire state of mississippi. ONE. now that's scary. if those asshole legislatures put half the energy into public education that they do into trying to outlaw abortion that state might be able to rise out of the dregs..


This is frighteningly ignorant of the issues of the rural south and that has nothing do with my thoughts on abortion but I bet that abortion clinic isn't exactly in high demand like elsewhere in the U.S. so the point is probably moot.


Do you think that might be because people are scared they'll get attacked if they go there?


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oldbullee Wrote:
ayah Wrote:
sometimes it feels like the gay marriage issue is like arguing over how to decorate a cake.

i saw a frontline last night about the ONE last abortion clinic in the entire state of mississippi. ONE. now that's scary. if those asshole legislatures put half the energy into public education that they do into trying to outlaw abortion that state might be able to rise out of the dregs..


This is frighteningly ignorant of the issues of the rural south and that has nothing do with my thoughts on abortion but I bet that abortion clinic isn't exactly in high demand like elsewhere in the U.S. so the point is probably moot.


Don't even bother with the mass misconceptions held by most of this board about the rural south. It's not gonna change.

Is South Dakota in the "dregs"?

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