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so wait. Is it a joke that you have to have sex prior to emotional maturity or you're a closet homosexual or is this a real point of view, exagerated by jokes of sexual identity confusion?

Maybe some people find it important to wait.

Having sex starting at 16 and on and continuing to do so because it's the "normal" thing to do and the idea that "most people do it, so I should too" is about as original an idea as listening to Taking Back Sunday and thinking they do something unique.

Sometimes some Obner points of view amaze me in their irony and hypocrisy.


I couldn't agree more. I've gained a new respect for people who make the choice to wait for marriage, or at the very least until they're in a stable, responsible relationship. Having said that, I don't really buy the "not into sex" argument. Even the most chaste people I know have sexual desires.


Apparently Lou Reed was never into sex.

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The ex youth pastor for my girlfriends church was a virgin up until he got married... at the young age of 35. My girl says it had to do with moral obligations and the fact he's 5'2.

Thinking about it, he kinda looks like Steve Carrel.


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Hegel-Oh's Wrote:
so wait. Is it a joke that you have to have sex prior to emotional maturity or you're a closet homosexual or is this a real point of view, exagerated by jokes of sexual identity confusion?

Maybe some people find it important to wait.

Having sex starting at 16 and on and continuing to do so because it's the "normal" thing to do and the idea that "most people do it, so I should too" is about as original an idea as listening to Taking Back Sunday and thinking they do something unique.

Sometimes some Obner points of view amaze me in their irony and hypocrisy.

While I agree with the seniment of this post, I have to wonder how effectively emotional maturity can be defined by age.

<---- lost virginity at 25, chalk it up to lack of confidence/dating skills (vs. social skills in general... to lump them all into one really bugs me)


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The ex youth pastor for my girlfriends church was a virgin up until he got married... at the young age of 35. My girl says it had to do with moral obligations and the fact he's 5'2.

Thinking about it, he kinda looks like Steve Carrel.


I'm only 5'2" :(

If I found out anything in my short 23 years of existence, it's that being a short guy is basically a death sentence when you're in the dating scene. It seems like every woman I talk to is looking for a guy taller than her, and by that she usually means somewhere around 6'0" even if she's only 5'0".


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The ex youth pastor for my girlfriends church was a virgin up until he got married... at the young age of 35. My girl says it had to do with moral obligations and the fact he's 5'2.

Thinking about it, he kinda looks like Steve Carrel.


I'm only 5'2" :(

If I found out anything in my short 23 years of existence, it's that being a short guy is basically a death sentence when you're in the dating scene. It seems like every woman I talk to is looking for a guy taller than her, and by that she usually means somewhere around 6'0" even if she's only 5'0".


I have dated a lot of guys shorter than me! But I am 5'11" so beggars can't be choosers...
I dunno, I can see how for some people you could be a virgin well into life. It's funny, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.


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The ex youth pastor for my girlfriends church was a virgin up until he got married... at the young age of 35. My girl says it had to do with moral obligations and the fact he's 5'2.

Thinking about it, he kinda looks like Steve Carrel.


I'm only 5'2" :(

If I found out anything in my short 23 years of existence, it's that being a short guy is basically a death sentence when you're in the dating scene. It seems like every woman I talk to is looking for a guy taller than her, and by that she usually means somewhere around 6'0" even if she's only 5'0".


I have dated a lot of guys shorter than me! But I am 5'11" so beggars can't be choosers...
I dunno, I can see how for some people you could be a virgin well into life. It's funny, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.


It's not really a big deal to me. But when you find out some certain people are virgins who you would never expect them to be, that's kinda weird.

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If I found out anything in my short 23 years of existence, it's that being a short guy is basically a death sentence when you're in the dating scene. It seems like every woman I talk to is looking for a guy taller than her, and by that she usually means somewhere around 6'0" even if she's only 5'0".

My friend Scott is about 5'6" and happily married to a hot blonde who is 6'1". It can happen.

I'm 6', so I'm naturally annoyed when I see a 5'3 girl with a 6'2" guy, but I've gotten used to it. Guys 6' and under have bigger penises anyway.

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Guys 6' and under have bigger penises anyway.


Yeah, I'm only 2' 4"


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Yeah, I'm only 2' 4"

Don't fret, Frostingspoon, some girls LIKE it that long.


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If I own up to being just about 6 foot, do I suddenly shrink to average?


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I am 25. I am still a virgin. I am not religious or waiting for marriage or anything like that either. And I don't think it's a big deal (sex, that is). I just haven't ever really had what would be called an exclusive relationship, and have only dated a couple people, and briefly at that. (Until now, anyway...) And since I don't really want to do the one-night stand/rush into stuff thing, it just hasn't happened. It's not like I've never gotten the offer (hell, I've been invited to more threesomes than anyone I know), it just wasn't ever right for me. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely innocent or naive, either...

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Guys 6' and under have bigger penises anyway.


Whoa.

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I am 25. I am still a virgin. I am not religious or waiting for marriage or anything like that either. And I don't think it's a big deal (sex, that is). I just haven't ever really had what would be called an exclusive relationship, and have only dated a couple people, and briefly at that. (Until now, anyway...) And since I don't really want to do the one-night stand/rush into stuff thing, it just hasn't happened. It's not like I've never gotten the offer (hell, I've been invited to more threesomes than anyone I know), it just wasn't ever right for me. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely innocent or naive, either...


So, the "True Love Waits" movement, begun (re-begun?) c. 1990, is correct in positing that phallo-to-anal and phallo- and vaginal-to-oral contact are not instances of sexual contact, thus not instances of a less of virginity?


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In other words, an intact hymen or penis never to have broken an hymen does not a virgin make.

And, no, don't go about girls who suffered hymen breakage from falling off their bikes or tree-swings, either. I'm sure it's happened, and I'm sure many have abstained for a good many years, but how many, really, are there?


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I am 25. I am still a virgin. I am not religious or waiting for marriage or anything like that either. And I don't think it's a big deal (sex, that is). I just haven't ever really had what would be called an exclusive relationship, and have only dated a couple people, and briefly at that. (Until now, anyway...) And since I don't really want to do the one-night stand/rush into stuff thing, it just hasn't happened. It's not like I've never gotten the offer (hell, I've been invited to more threesomes than anyone I know), it just wasn't ever right for me. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely innocent or naive, either...


So, the "True Love Waits" movement, begun (re-begun?) c. 1990, is correct in positing that phallo-to-anal and phallo- and vaginal-to-oral contact are not instances of sexual contact, thus not instances of a less of virginity?


Not particularly, I'm just stating that in this society, virginity is usually defined by vaginal penetration with the penis. I didn't say anything about other forms of 'fun' as not being classified as 'sexual contact'. Also, I said it's not a big deal to me, and so personally I can't see what the difference (virginity-wise, that is) between dildos/vibrators/fingers being stuck there and a penis.

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TinyE Wrote:
I am 25. I am still a virgin. I am not religious or waiting for marriage or anything like that either. And I don't think it's a big deal (sex, that is). I just haven't ever really had what would be called an exclusive relationship, and have only dated a couple people, and briefly at that. (Until now, anyway...) And since I don't really want to do the one-night stand/rush into stuff thing, it just hasn't happened. It's not like I've never gotten the offer (hell, I've been invited to more threesomes than anyone I know), it just wasn't ever right for me. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely innocent or naive, either...

^^^ smart.

I waited until a few weeks before my 18th birthday to lose it. I wish I'd waited ten more years. Sex can ruin things just as quickly as it can make things more interesting.

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the longer you put it off, the higher the chance that you will be disappointed in it.

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the longer you put it off, the higher the chance that you will be disappointed in it.


…because a refund is highly unlikely.

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my friend is a good christian and he's waiting until marriage. he's sort of psychotic about it. his ex-roommate told me that he prays about masturbating and thinking dirty thoughts. nuts. he's 27, very (very!) good looking, extremely intelligent, holds a good job, but no sex for him. jesus says no.

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TinyE Wrote:
I am 25. I am still a virgin. I am not religious or waiting for marriage or anything like that either. And I don't think it's a big deal (sex, that is). I just haven't ever really had what would be called an exclusive relationship, and have only dated a couple people, and briefly at that. (Until now, anyway...) And since I don't really want to do the one-night stand/rush into stuff thing, it just hasn't happened. It's not like I've never gotten the offer (hell, I've been invited to more threesomes than anyone I know), it just wasn't ever right for me. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely innocent or naive, either...


So, the "True Love Waits" movement, begun (re-begun?) c. 1990, is correct in positing that phallo-to-anal and phallo- and vaginal-to-oral contact are not instances of sexual contact, thus not instances of a less of virginity?


Not particularly, I'm just stating that in this society, virginity is usually defined by vaginal penetration with the penis. I didn't say anything about other forms of 'fun' as not being classified as 'sexual contact'. Also, I said it's not a big deal to me, and so personally I can't see what the difference (virginity-wise, that is) between dildos/vibrators/fingers being stuck there and a penis.


Since when did the bourgeois status quo, the conventional wisdom, befit the hipster? Seriously... I know it's convenient to utilize the CW to prove your emotional maturity -- or whatever not having had (vaginal) sexual intercourse would be -- but, come on, you're cherry-picking.


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One of my best friends is 47 years old and still a virgin. I should hire someone to do the deed.


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TinyE Wrote:
I am 25. I am still a virgin. I am not religious or waiting for marriage or anything like that either. And I don't think it's a big deal (sex, that is). I just haven't ever really had what would be called an exclusive relationship, and have only dated a couple people, and briefly at that. (Until now, anyway...) And since I don't really want to do the one-night stand/rush into stuff thing, it just hasn't happened. It's not like I've never gotten the offer (hell, I've been invited to more threesomes than anyone I know), it just wasn't ever right for me. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely innocent or naive, either...


That pretty much sums it up for me. Right now I just want to (god willing) keep my current job for as long as possible while living with my parents, build up a checking account and then settle into a condo close to work. By the time I'm 30, I might consider getting back into the dating scene, but right now it's near the bottom of my list of things to do. There are just so many other things that I enjoy in life right now and so many other goals to accomplish that dating would actually be more of a burden than a blessing. I figure with the medical technology we have today we'll all probably live until we're 100, so I'm not exactly in a rush.

Also, I was never a fan of the one night stand idea either. The last thing I need is an accident with some random broad.


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