Hmmmmmm, guess it depends on what an "obvious crackpot" is.

it'd be great if someone drove a semi into their protest group.

Not to defend or really agree with Mojo, but the rise in Evangelical Protestantism in this country has had quite the effect on American politics and the media. Alot of people approaching the 2006 midterm election would say that their impact has mostly been negative and people within the dominant party would like the Christian right to shut the hell up and allow real conservatives to govern again.
While being a lapsed Catholic might cloud my judgement, you never did see the Catholics attempt to rule in this manner when Kennedy was in power, and alot of Protestants feared we'd install the Pope as some sort of King.
It seems to me that alot of Republican politicians could do more to condemn these activities, and it seems like they quietly support some of these people doing this crazy shit.

Right, but the problem with mojo's crack is that protestant != evangelical. And Christian != right. And conservative Catholics are at the forefront of most of the issues with the "negative impact" you're talking about. Gay marriage, reproductive rights, stem cells, you name it.

While the Catholic Right has become more in-line with their protestant counterparts, especially the single issue Pro-Life Catholics, there are a lot of working class "conservative" Catholics who still vote Democratic. I personally don't see the Catholic church with same amount of political clout as Christian Right Leaders, especially with the sensitivity amongst catholic voters this election in regards to illegal immigration. I think alot of people mock the Catholic church for its lack of progress, while supporting the Christian Right movement on the same issues.

Well, my only point was that being protestant shouldn't get you lumped in with fag-haters. If you're saying the same about Catholics, I agree.

My issue with it is that it assumes that the Right in political office should give one iota of credence to people in the original post. Just like it is best that the majority of the population should ignore a small group of people like this, it should be the same for politicians. I think you, me, mojo, and politicians, in general, see this behavior and roll their eyes at it.

My other issue is that there is an assumption that protestant evangelical christians all hold the same belief. However, if you look at church history, what with at least 15 firmly planted denominations, the only thing the general protestant church can agree on and is unified in is their divisiveness. Hardly ideal, but more a reality than lumping all protestants into the stereotype that mojo did, which isn't even a fair one at that.

I am capable of being a protestant evangelical (pentacostal even) Christian, believe in God, Jesus as more than just a neat guy from way back when, the activity of the Holy Spirit in everyday life, the fact that there is absolute truth in morality and still not be an abortion clinic doctor shooter. In fact, from my rather extensive experience and activity with churches and churchgoers, I would wager that most people within even the most right wing churches would not agree with what these people are doing. It's outrageous to me that this becomes some breeding ground for the attitude that all Christians are this way, proven only by a lack of outspoken rage against it within the Christian community.

EDIT: I also wanted to say that I thought it was awesome that the interviewer woman in the second clip used Bible verses to combat the lady from her inbred church.

I understand your viewpoint and even agree to some extent, but silence often equals support in alot of people's eyes or at least a sign that a significant portion to that group feels that it isn't right to condemn those activities. To me it is like attacking the Catholic church for not taking a harder line against Pedophiles and appearing uncooperative with most investigations. A vast majority of Catholics are outraged by pedophiles and support sex offender laws, but then they sit back and appear apathetic when it involves one of their spiritual leaders.
I fully understand that the opinions of the Religious Right "Spiritual" leaders such as Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc differ greatly from normal christians as do the viewpoints of most american catholics from the Vatican, but you have to understand that those people who belong to the secular movement have the right to link Christianity to rabid, rather anti-christian fundamentalist of the religious right. They are doing the same thing Karl Rove and the Republican party hopes voters do when they think of the Democratic party and individuals such as Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi, and how many americans tend to identify Islam with Al Quaeda and Osama Bin Laden

Yeah. I see what you mean. I can understand HOW it happens. But, that doesn't reduce the validity of Christianity to nothing. Humanists can agree that there are people that don't fit the mold of what they stand for, but that doesn't ruin their philosophy or even make it less true. Many people stated the same thing about the lack of voice against the embassy burnings by the general muslim population. I think I may have said it. So, I recognize that I am not separate from doing the same thing. However, when this sentiment was mentioned in terms of islam, it was railed against by almost everybody I came into contact with. However, it seems like this similar situation is used to fuel a fire against Christianity and I have limited contact with people that accept the idea that this behavior is not common nor is it in line with what Christianity truly is about. You know what I mean?

If these douchebags don't qualify I dunno who the fuck does.

How bout those people who have sex with animals on the internet?

I'll stay away from debating this and just say that if the animal consents to it and seems to enjoy it, more power to them. I'm sort of surprised there isn't a known group like NAMBLA for man-beast love.

Well, if they had a Protestant work ethic, they wouldn't be in the working class.

Just for the sake of arguing, I always thought the Catholics, especially we Irish Catholics, had to work harder and longer because of all the damn kids we tend to have.

Yeah, that's a lot of Bingo cards each week.

The funny thing about bingo, especially the bingo night that was held at the Knights of Columbus Hall in my hometown. It was protestant people like my friend's parents who flocked there to gamble and drink, since it was the closest thing to a Keno bar or casino in my area.
I also used to laugh at the large number of people who flocked to fish fries during lent when they didn't have to abstain from meat on fridays.

It depends on if the animal's dressed all slutty or not.

"The bitch was barkin' for it."

that bitch needs to be mouthraped.

No, no, no.... Skull-fucked, to the bone gristle.

hahaha, i thought the same thing.

wow, "freaking protestants" was never meant to stir up so much controversy, but i guess it did. my comment was aimed at that crazy bitch using her church, a protestant church, as a front or pedestal to convey her warped message. had it been a catholic doing the same thing, then i would've felt the same way. i'm not admonishing protestants as a whole, but as mentioned in many prior posts, many evangelicals or protestants in recent times have given christianity and country a bad name, and frankly, i've become intollerant of it.

p.s. i would also like to say that in recent times, members of this board have taken some ugly shots, or have been "insensitive," toward different faiths, but because they were considered as "jokes" or "being funny" no many seemed to care. so, perhaps next time, we should all look to see who's calling the kettle black.

I don't know if you're trying to call out anyone specific here, but if it's someone in this thread, just say it. Otherwise, it just looks like you're trying to excuse your own insensitivity by pointing out that there are worse offenders. You had the opportunity to clarify that you were "not admonishing protestants as a whole," but you chose to stick with a simple one word answer which suggested exactly the opposite. So next time you don't mean to stir up controversy, take your own advice and try not to be so careless and opaque in your criticisms with regard to issues that are clearly important to many people here.

why, because i called a spade a spade, and stood by my answer?

i apologized, now give me a freaking break!

Now why do we gotta drag race into this?