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I'd like to have the closing credits music following me around as a shadowy theme song.


Totally.
I'd even go for just the cymbal taps.

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Where can I discuss episode two?? I don't know if I understand why Jimmy did that.


I would humbly make a request that we don't talk about a show's plot until the "normal" Sunday night air time. I've got Dish network, so I can't download in advance.


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I got through ep 1 last night and half of Ep 2. (I'm conserving them so they last longer, see).

It's crazy seeing Herc like that. and I love Lester staking out that spot, reading his Miniatures magazine.

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yeah i wanna talk about it too but i'll wait til next week.

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entertainment weekly has a few articles about it.

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The Wire (The Wire (Season 5))

By Gillian Flynn

About the only good news in Baltimore is that test scores for third graders are up 15 points. This being The Wire, even that good news is tainted — last season's brutal foray into the city's school system made clear that those numbers are mere props for politicians. Everywhere else it's worse, especially among the underfunded police force: Overtime pay has vanished, cops take buses to crime scenes, the investigation into those 22 bodies sealed up in West Side houses last season has been suspended. Tommy Carcetti (Aidan Gillen) is dangerously close to being branded as ''just a weak-ass mayor of a broke-ass city.''

The fifth and final season of David Simon's peerlessly acted, stunningly scripted, revolutionary drama of 1,000 moving parts kicks off Jan. 6, and Baltimore is undergoing a changing of the guard — with the new generation even more unworthy than the last. Carcetti makes decisions not as a dutiful mayor, but as a gubernatorial hopeful. Drug dealer Marlo Stanfield (Jamie Hector) — the guy responsible for those 22 bodies — is consolidating power ruthlessly and without discipline. ''Marlo's an a--hole,'' snarls Det. Jimmy McNulty (Dominic West). ''He does not get to win, we get to win.'' McNulty's worthy adversary, semi-legit gangster Stringer Bell, has been killed, and here's the detective — back in Homicide, back on the sauce, trying to scrape up pocket change to nail punks like Marlo. He reeks of anger and disdain. And Jameson.

Bubs, Bunk, Omar — they all resurface too. If there's one problem with The Wire, it's that, five seasons in, too many beautifully realized characters fight for too little room — a gem of a complaint to have. Simon, a former Baltimore Sun reporter, has chosen to (dis)favor the media this round, and he's replicated a newsroom as desperately faulty as any of The Wire's other institutions. The Sun is also suffering from entitled upstarts: A budget crisis has management winnowing those with decent salaries — smarter, veteran reporters. Old-school city editor Gus (Homicide's Clark Johnson) finds himself saddled with the paper's callow new golden boy Scott Templeton (Year of the Dog's Tom McCarthy), a flimsy reporter as hollowly ambitious and shortsighted as Marlo.

From the police station to city hall to the newspapers to the street, it's clear nobody will get a ''New Day in Baltimore.'' Everyone seems only more stuck in his or her own intertwined, culpable role. Episode 7 ends with cop Kima (Sonja Sohn) holding her son at a windowsill, as they say goodnight to the moon — and the ''po-po...hoppers...hustlers...scammers'' of Baltimore. The triumph of The Wire is that, as Kima whispers these words, they don't sound cynical. They sound like a benediction for this yelping creation of David Simon, and a good wish for the hard struggle of cities. A


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''The Wire'': The Paper Trail
Though most of your favorite characters are back, the series' fifth season turns its focus to examining the role of the local newspaper in the city's decline

By Karen Valby

To those of you who are new to The Wire this fifth and final season, welcome and good luck. You little lambs have no idea how 10 episodes of this show can wring you inside out to the point where you will want to talk about nothing else for the next few months. (If you're not going to shell out the 50-some smackers for the show's box set, read this most excellent recap of what you've missed the previous four seasons.) And a hearty welcome back to the faithful few who have been hanging out on these Baltimore corners for a while now. Each time a character appeared on screen for the first time during last night's premiere, I found myself cheering as if I'd run into an old friend. Bunk! Lester! Daniels! My shattered Dukie and beloved Bubbles!

Fans of the show are outraged that The Wire has never been given its just ratings or awards. Good to see, though, as evidenced by the opening scene, that David Simon and company aren't going to start pandering now in the hopes of expanding their audience. Bunk used a tried-and-true method to break one of his punk suspects, convincing the kid that the Xerox machine was a state-of-the-art lie detector. ''Americans are a stupid people by and large,'' Bunk's partner told a rookie detective. ''We pretty much believe whatever we're told.'' ''The bigger the lie, the more they believe,'' said Bunk. A tidy summation, perhaps, of our indifferent electorate, but more importantly the epigraph to last night's zip of a show.

The cops had been led to believe that the new upstart mayor was going to follow through on his promise to fight crime in useful, meaningful ways. Nah, budget cuts are postponing overtime pay, killing morale, and shredding whatever dignity the badge has got left. Worst of all, the wire crew was disbanded by the end of the episode. All those months of tailing wily Marlo, the unexplained 22 bodies found rotting last season in row houses — that work is superfluous in this back-scratching dump of a bureaucracy.

Folks who've long made journalism their life's work might say they've been brought up to believe that news matters, and the finding and publishing of it with dignity and precision is a worthwhile enterprise. With Simon's lens turned from our nation's moldy education system last season to the media this season, we went inside the warren of cubicles at The Baltimore Sun. Foreign bureaus are closing, layoffs and buyouts loom, and the boss man has a taste for hiring 23-year-olds who don't know their Joseph Mitchell from their Jayson Blair. We met Gus Haynes (played with great swagger by Clark Johnson, also a director on the series), the city editor who walked in on two of his calcified colleagues casually marveling at smoke pluming from a building in East Baltimore. ''What kind of people stand around watching a fire?'' Gus hissed at his sad excuse for colleagues as he stormed back into the newsroom. ''Shameful s--- right here. Where else would you rather be, huh, kids?''

That's the rub of this great group of interconnected people, I suppose. There is no place they'd all feel more at home than in their chosen venues. The cops, the good ones at least, need to be in the action. McNulty, finished with his buttoned-up routine of walking his beat and then walking home in a straight line to a good woman, is back to tomcatting around town. Poor Beadie (Amy Ryan), his earnest girlfriend, now has to leave the light on for a man who won't be returning until sunrise. (She herself bought the lie that a man addicted to drink and drama could be tamed by her simple, decent life.)

Everyone at the newsroom can smell which way the tide is turning (except perhaps the fishy young feller who wants to ride a national story all the way to The New York Times), but the journeymen seem to thrive on the rhythm of the newsroom. Two victories came last night: The old guys scored a win when they smacked down an earnest reporter's faulty prose. (''To evacuate a person is to give that person an enema.'') And Gus took it to the hoop when he spotted a shady real estate deal between City Hall and a strip-club owner, barked back at the council president, and still gave full credit to his nice shlub of a reporter.

Even the corner has its own known routine and comforts. (Much love, Bodie!) Though (and I'll cop early to being a yellow-bellied sentimentalist when it comes to this show, and I kick and scream and cry at every damn loss) seeing Michael and Dukie again about killed me. Both boys are bigger, and their voices have changed. Dukie seems to have permanently lost the earnest grin from Prez's lunchroom study hall. He's ill equipped for a life out on the streets, and Michael knows it, suggesting that his friend instead might just earn his pay by babysitting Michael's kid brother. ''So I'll be a nanny and shit?'' said a betrayed Duquan. Michael suggested that Dukie do whatever he wants to with his day before Bug gets home from school. While the girl raised by network TV in me wants to believe this is great because now Dukie can return to school, the realist suspects that a dive into drug use can't be far behind.

Which brings me to Bubbles, dear Bubbles, trying to get by one day at a time in his sister's basement. He might be dealing with the biggest lie of all right now. (And I mean this only in the scope of this review about this character on this episode.) Bubbles is sober, and his life isn't the better or richer for it. He's living in a dank cellar, locked away from the joyful breakfast clatter of a regular life that's still forever out of reach. Since his sister rightfully won't leave him unattended in the house when she's off at work, he has to troll the same streets each day sober and alone. Bubbles, hang in there. Damn you, Wire, keep him safe.

And because what saves The Wire from being unbearably grim is its terrific sense of humor, I'll end with my favorite laugh of the night. Gus is in the newsroom, desperate for a front-page photo. He gets a scene of the fire, but there's a charred doll's head in the shot. ''I got a Barbie in the foreground,'' he growls into the phone. ''Every fire photo he brings in there's got to be some burnt doll somewhere in the debris!''

What did you all think? Are you a fan of Steve Earle's version of the opening song? (I love Steve Earle but am still iffy on his take.) Which character that we didn't get to see last night are you missing most? (Omar!) And will you pick Amy Ryan for Best Supporting Actress in your Oscar pool?

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yeah i wanna talk about it too but i'll wait til next week.



Maybe we should start a "Wire Spoiler" thread then because I watched it last night. The only reason I didn't watch on Monday was because I watched the National Champ game.

Seems like more people are watching it On Demand than there are when it officially airs.

I'm certainly not waiting until Sunday if I don't have to. Hell, I'll watch each ep twice before it "officially" airs.


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Maybe we should start a "Wire Spoiler" thread then because I watched it last night. The only reason I didn't watch on Monday was because I watched the National Champ game.


I'd be okay with this as long as we do something like numbering the episodes in the thread—like that other board—because I don't torrent or anything, and I dont want to run into Ep. 3 or Ep. 5 or some shit when I'm only six days ahead.

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My OnDemand still doesn't have Ep 2 available.
Driving a truck through the Comcast office is looking like a reasonable option.

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Maybe we should start a "Wire Spoiler" thread then because I watched it last night. The only reason I didn't watch on Monday was because I watched the National Champ game.

Seems like more people are watching it On Demand than there are when it officially airs.

I'm certainly not waiting until Sunday if I don't have to. Hell, I'll watch each ep twice before it "officially" airs.


Some of us live in the fucking hinterlands and don't have your new fangled "On Demand" shit.

(Also, some of us have been watching this show since 2002, so you faggy come latelies feel free to talk amongst yourselves)

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I need to rent me seasons 1-4 of this.....

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What do real street thugs think of The Wire [NYT]

This is a new piece, not one that appeared a year or so ago, though I believe it is the same guy.

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There was plenty of popcorn, ribs, bad domestic beer, and fried pork rinds with hot sauce on hand. The pork rinds, apparently the favorite of the American thug, ran out so quickly that one of the low-ranking gang members in attendance was dispatched to acquire several more bags.


Fuck. If this gonna be that kinda party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the masthed potatoes!

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3. The greatest uproar occurred when the upstart Marlo challenged the veteran Prop Joe in the co-op meeting. “If Prop Joe had balls, he’d be dead in 24 hours!” Orlando shouted. “But white folks [who write the series] always love to keep these uppity [characters] alive. No way he’d survive in East New York more than a minute!” A series of bets then took place. All told, roughly $8,000 was wagered on the timing of Marlo’s death. The bettors asked me — as the neutral party — to hold the money. I delicately replied that my piggy bank was filled up already.


The part about Bunk is interesting, too.

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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."

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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Perhaps to further
Slim Charles : Prop Joe :: Avon Barksdale : Stringer Bell

i.e., going back to D'Angelo in S1, the police don't give a fuck about the drugs, it's the bodies, and despite the best plans by guys like Prop Joe & Stringer to create a more viable business that doesn't attract law enforcement, they can't weed out the murderous knuckleheads that keep the heat on their tail.

That in turn parallels the whole "system is broke and you can't fix it" theme you see in the school system, City Hall, the Department and now the Media. That's also interesting because who else would teeter out on that limb to argue that the Drug Trade is broken and needs to be fixed.

I know that's not profound or anything, but I hadn't really thought about that either until you just mentioned it.

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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Perhaps to further
Slim Charles : Prop Joe :: Avon Barksdale : Stringer Bell


I see your point, and maybe you are talking about the now-dynamic, but Slim was Avon's muscle...he sort of gravitated to Prop Joe when Marlo started taking 'Von's corners once they put him in the clink and Slim got away.

That said, Slim has a real beef with Marlo, and wants a piece of him -- watch that dynamic play out, and to respond to Bloor's question, I think it is a way of introducing that dynamic into the narrative.

(also, having been the Slim to 10 or so Prop Joe types, sometimes you have to let them know you can peep the scene, so they trust you with the other shit :lol: )

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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Are you asking this from a "Where does this guy come off...?" angle or more wondering "What's he driving at?"

Didn't seem out of place to me. A little obvious, maybe, but something that needed to be noted at least for posterity.

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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Are you asking this from a "Where does this guy come off...?" angle or more wondering "What's he driving at?"

Didn't seem out of place to me. A little obvious, maybe, but something that needed to be noted at least for posterity.


I see you didn't read mine or Fu's response. Good job. ;)

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Sen. Dong Montana LooGAR Wrote:
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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Perhaps to further
Slim Charles : Prop Joe :: Avon Barksdale : Stringer Bell


I see your point, and maybe you are talking about the now-dynamic, but Slim was Avon's muscle...he sort of gravitated to Prop Joe when Marlo started taking 'Von's corners once they put him in the clink and Slim got away.

That said, Slim has a real beef with Marlo, and wants a piece of him -- watch that dynamic play out, and to respond to Bloor's question, I think it is a way of introducing that dynamic into the narrative.

(also, having been the Slim to 10 or so Prop Joe types, sometimes you have to let them know you can peep the scene, so they trust you with the other shit :lol: )


oh totally, I see what's going on there and def. agree on Slim feeling the need to show that he's not just a charity case from Avon's fall, etc, but I guess what struck me was the unreality of (let's face it) one of them DUMB telling Prop Joe anything...although, looking around that conference table, not a whole lot of bright bulbs.

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Sen. Dong Montana LooGAR Wrote:
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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Are you asking this from a "Where does this guy come off...?" angle or more wondering "What's he driving at?"

Didn't seem out of place to me. A little obvious, maybe, but something that needed to be noted at least for posterity.


I see you didn't read mine or Fu's response. Good job. ;)


Could be the cold medication fogging me up, but I've read yours a good five times (Fu's I got) and wasn't able to wring anything sensible out of it besides you have a high opinion of yourself relative to the people you work for.
And that you apparently now sport cornrow braids.

Wanna take another swing at it, so us lowly types can get a clue?

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Something struck me this morning when I was taking the trash to the curb: Who the fuck is Slim Charles to be telling Prop Joe to watch out for Marlo?

"Thanks Slim, I had no fucking clue. Dumb nigga."


Are you asking this from a "Where does this guy come off...?" angle or more wondering "What's he driving at?"

Didn't seem out of place to me. A little obvious, maybe, but something that needed to be noted at least for posterity.


I see you didn't read mine or Fu's response. Good job. ;)


Could be the cold medication fogging me up, but I've read yours a good five times (Fu's I got) and wasn't able to wring anything sensible out of it besides you have a high opinion of yourself relative to the people you work for.
And that you apparently now sport cornrow braids.

Wanna take another swing at it, so us lowly types can get a clue?


I ain't got time to explain it to you, lil nigga. You can figure it out if you try.

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yeah it's gonna be interesting to see when shit goes down between slim, prop, cheese vs marlo, chris & snoop.

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After much discussion, here's my swing on Ep. 1. I've also seen Ep. 2 but will hold onto that until Monday.

Carver made sergeant only to walk into that shitstorm. As if the department was falling apart already in the wake of the Hamsterdam mess, now they have a whole lot of overworked, underpaid police (BOB BROWN!) on their hands. But I like how Carver is constantly moving up the ladder every season... the way it should be.

The fallout from the Greeks and the Russian mob losing control of the docks pops up again... along with the real estate the Barksdales were floating for the redevelopment project coming back to bite the politcos in the ass (shiiiiiiiiiiiit, Stringer learned well)... which affects the Co-Op. Marlo hinting at the fact that the East Side is in flux and the county pumpers are pricing them out. So... shit is obviously bad for Slim/Avon and Prop Joe with Marlo controlling West Side. Cheese ain't letting those differences from last season ride neither. Look for Meth to play a much bigger role this season.

I truly believe Prop Joe holds himself much higher than his fellow Co-Op members, including Marlo. Slim speaks for Avon, who knows all too well what a threat Marlo is. Prop hasn't directly felt the brunt of Marlo's aggression like the Barksdale's have. I'd love to see what Chris and Snoop would do with that tub... but I think Omar is still higher on the priority list for comeuppins.

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Does anyone remember that awesome Wire blog where a guy who is a literature professor, or something similar, writes an essay on every episode? It's unbelievably insightful but I can't find the URL and I'm not having any luck with a Google search. Ring a bell? Corey? Anyone?

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Does anyone remember that awesome Wire blog where a guy who is a literature professor, or something similar, writes an essay on every episode? It's unbelievably insightful but I can't find the URL and I'm not having any luck with a Google search. Ring a bell? Corey? Anyone?


I know what you are talking about, but I can't remember it at the moment.

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Found it:

http://heavenandhere.wordpress.com/

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djdan Wrote:


Haha. I just found it by searching Kottke, and when I came to post it, BLAMMO!

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