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Bill Buckner returns to Fenway Park
By HOWARD ULMAN, AP Sports Writer

BOSTON (AP)—Bill Buckner’s eyes were red. He paused for 15 seconds to control his emotions. Then he spoke again.

The outstanding hitter known for a costly World Series error had just thrown out the ceremonial first pitch to a loud ovation before the Red Sox home opener Tuesday. It was a strike to former teammate Dwight Evans.

The experience, Buckner said, was “probably about as emotional as it could get.”

But he nearly decided not to come.

The Red Sox received their championship rings for winning the 2007 World Series before Tuesday’s game against the Detroit Tigers. Buckner’s legacy is tied to losing the series in 1986.

The former first baseman knew the same old questions would crop up about that play 22 years ago that has been replayed on television hundreds of times. At first, he turned down the team’s request. A few days later he agreed to return to Fenway Park for the first time since 1997 when he was batting coach with the Chicago White Sox.

“I really had to forgive,” he said after collecting himself, “not the fans of Boston per se, but I would have to say, in my heart, I had to forgive the media…”

Another pause, this one for 10 seconds, before he continued, “…for what they put me and my family through. So I’ve done that. I’m over that. And I’m just happy that I just try to think of the positive. The happy things.”

And not about the night of Oct. 25 in Shea Stadium when Mookie Wilson’s ground ball rolled through his legs in the 10th inning. It capped a three-run rally and drove in the winning run in the New York Mets 6-5 win that forced a seventh game.

The Mets won the final game 8-5 and Boston’s streak of no championships since 1918 continued. That drought ended in 2004, and then the Red Sox made it two championships in four years.

Buckner, a .289 hitter in 22 years with more than 100 RBIs in two of his three full seasons with Boston, wasn’t the only Red Sox player who failed in the last two games of the 1986 Series. To focus on just one play is “the ugly part of sports,” he said.

“I don’t think that in society in general that’s the way we should operate. What are you teaching kids? Not to try because if you don’t succeed then you’re going to buried, so don’t try?”

The Mets already had tied the game at 5 in the 10th against Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley before Wilson hit the ball to Buckner. And the Red Sox led 3-0 after 5 1/2 innings of Game 7 before the Mets tied it against Bruce Hurst in the bottom of the sixth and nicked Schiraldi for three runs in the seventh.

“You can look at that series and point fingers in a whole bunch of different directions,” Buckner said. “We did the best we could to win there and it just didn’t happen and I didn’t feel like I deserved” so much blame.

“If I felt like it was my fault, I’d step up to the plate and say, `hey, if I wasn’t here the Red Sox would have won this thing,’ but I really can’t do that so I think some of it is unjustly directed my way,” he said. “I’m pretty tough mentally, but the hardest part was with my family and my kids and I’m still dealing with it.”

His son Bobby is a freshman infielder at the University of Texas. His daughter Christen played softball at Boise (Idaho) High School. She is now a reporter for the Fox television station in Boise and attended her father’s news conference for a story to be broadcast Wednesday.

“There were times when they had to deal with it,” Buckner said. “I don’t think that’s fair and that made me a little bitter. I’m over that.”

He praised the Red Sox management in place in 1986 and the current ownership group. He thanked fans for their support. He said he’d like to come back some day.

Buckner was cheered continuously as he walked from the Green Monster in left field—draped with an American flag covering both the 2007 and 2004 World Series banners—to the mound, waving to the full house along the way.

Then he stood on the rubber, came to a stretch, threw the ball then made an umpire’s strike sign before embracing Evans.

“I’m glad that he’s here,” Evans said. “Just seeing him walk out, I couldn’t be happier for him.”

The pregame ceremonies featured appearances from current former players of the Boston Celtics and Bruins and current New England Patriots linebacker Tedy Bruschi.

Then the Red Sox received their rings, which feature 42 diamonds of various sizes. The inside of the ring is engraved with: “Boston Red Sox” and “10-28-07.”

David Ortiz received his ring last, with the Red Sox’ victory song—“Dirty Water” by the Standells—blaring.

Bruschi was touched by the reception for Buckner.

“I thought the ovation was incredible,” Bruschi said. “I think you can see the emotion on his face, the way he was taking it all in. I don’t know if it was cleansing for him or not. … I’ve only been here 13 years but I’ve heard about that (play) enough.”

So has Buckner, who was traded to the Red Sox by the Chicago Cubs in May 1984 and released in July 1987. He rejoined them in 1990 then retired after 22 games.

“Two of my best moments in baseball were when I came back here in ‘90 and today,” he said. “The Red Sox fans, they’ve been great.”

They cheered him in 1986, when the team made it to the seventh game of the World Series.

“It was a great season,” Buckner said. “There’s a lot of good memories and I’m just happy that I can focus on those.”


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...still missed that grounder...



And yet it didn't lose them the series.

I'm glad Buckner got the reception he did but there is no way that happens if the Sox hadn't won a couple rings since then.


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f4df Wrote:
...still missed that grounder...



And yet it didn't lose them the series.




true, that was a team effort.... and yet... still missed that grounder...


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...still missed that grounder...


And yet it didn't lose them the series.



true, that was a team effort.... and yet... still missed that grounder...



Oh he certainly should shoulder some of the blame. I was just listening to a discussion on this on the radio this morning and the topic was how undeserving the hate and blame the fans and media placed on him was.

I mean, even if he makes that play the game is still tied and going to extras but the perception has become that he lost them everything. Such is sports I guess.


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I'm happy for him. Dude's been through hell over one E. As a coach, I can somewhat feel his pain, though not on that level. Every little insignificant negative is magnified way beyond belief. Even in high school.

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22 seasons.

That's gotta count for something there.


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f4df Wrote:
Rick Derris Wrote:
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...still missed that grounder...



And yet it didn't lose them the series.




true, that was a team effort.... and yet... still missed that grounder...


And, if you actually followed that series closely, the Red Sox would not have been in the World Series without him.

Rewind to the ALCS...top of the 9th Game 5, Sox down by 3, backs against the wall. He led the inning off with a single. If he had registered an out then Dave Henderson never makes it to the plate. Baylor's homer would have only been a solo shot, making it a 5-3 game, and Evans' popup would have ended Boston's season.

He should never have been in the game. This is the equivalent of leaving Ortiz in at first with the Sox up in the clinching game of the WS. I can guarantee that in that scenario, Francona would sub in Youklis / Casey / Mientkevicz / pick your Sox backup first baseman that can actually field.


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wilked Wrote:
f4df Wrote:
Rick Derris Wrote:
f4df Wrote:
...still missed that grounder...



And yet it didn't lose them the series.




true, that was a team effort.... and yet... still missed that grounder...


And, if you actually followed that series closely, the Red Sox would not have been in the World Series without him.

Rewind to the ALCS...top of the 9th Game 5, Sox down by 3, backs against the wall. He led the inning off with a single. If he had registered an out then Dave Henderson never makes it to the plate. Baylor's homer would have only been a solo shot, making it a 5-3 game, and Evans' popup would have ended Boston's season.

He should never have been in the game. This is the equivalent of leaving Ortiz in at first with the Sox up in the clinching game of the WS. I can guarantee that in that scenario, Francona would sub in Youklis / Casey / Mientkevicz / pick your Sox backup first baseman that can actually field.


plus it was only game 6. meanwhile, i think the perception of how bostonians feel about billy are all wrong. maybe you fools don't know but he played 20+ games for my beloved sox in 1990 and i never heard any booing.


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He also got a standing O opening say 1987


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...still missed that grounder...


As I said... a Cub.

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all it took was two world series for you assholes to forgive him.

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clearly i didn't read the thread before posting that.
assholes.

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I forgave him years and years ago. But those other Red Sox fans - Scully, Tommy, Brian, even that Sean, who's usually so understanding, they're just not nice.


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all it took was two world series for you assholes to forgive him.


That's the point. They could have done this in '05, but they waited, in case the '04 Barrymore-Fallon Championship was a fluke. Had it been, it would have been, "Sorry, dude, but we still loath you to our very core... No hahd feelings, though".


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jewels santana Wrote:
all it took was two world series for you assholes to forgive him.


That's the point. They could have done this in '05, but they waited, in case the '04 Barrymore-Fallon Championship was a fluke. Had it been, it would have been, "Sorry, dude, but we still loath you to our very core... No hahd feelings, though".


what are you talking about?


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all it took was two world series for you assholes to forgive him.


That's the point. They could have done this in '05, but they waited, in case the '04 Barrymore-Fallon Championship was a fluke. Had it been, it would have been, "Sorry, dude, but we still loath you to our very core... No hahd feelings, though".


what are you talking about?


that's his way of coming out.

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i went to a game in 1990 against the angels where billy buck hit an inside the park hr because the angels rf fell over the wall chasing it around in the corner. it took bb about 20 minutes to get around the bases. there was a standing ovation. that was almost 20 years ago.

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