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I was actually already familiar with half the songs from that Skynyrd album, but on the whole I think I like it. Even though I was never big on those songs played alone on classic rock radio, they work together well, and there's a certain meanness to the album that I like.

Yeah that first Skynyrd album is excellent. It's hard to hear in context after all these years of rawk radio, but if you squint and imagine "holy fuck, this was a band's opening statement to the world" you can still sorta hear it.


Totally agree. Also, good call on the "meanness".


The Three Guitar Sonic Assault, as it were.

Also, they usually getted tagged as southern rednecks, but that ignores the whole "duality of the southern thing" that Skynyrd embodied. And that 3rd guitarist on the debut? None other than that acid-gulping freak Ed King, of the Strawberry Alarm Clock - so there's a bit more going on than the nostalgia circuit would have us believe.


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I was actually already familiar with half the songs from that Skynyrd album, but on the whole I think I like it. Even though I was never big on those songs played alone on classic rock radio, they work together well, and there's a certain meanness to the album that I like.

Yeah that first Skynyrd album is excellent. It's hard to hear in context after all these years of rawk radio, but if you squint and imagine "holy fuck, this was a band's opening statement to the world" you can still sorta hear it.


Totally agree. Also, good call on the "meanness".


The Three Guitar Sonic Assault, as it were.

Also, they usually getted tagged as southern rednecks, but that ignores the whole "duality of the southern thing" that Skynyrd embodied. And that 3rd guitarist on the debut? None other than that acid-gulping freak Ed King, of the Strawberry Alarm Clock - so there's a bit more going on than the nostalgia circuit would have us believe.


At the risk of being burned at the stake, I still credit Kooper's production as much as anything to the resulting success of the album. I was around locally for the 2-3 years prior to the big debut album- they played somewhere here just about every weekend. Wasn't a fan then, never became one either.


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At the risk of being burned at the stake, I still credit Kooper's production as much as anything to the resulting success of the album. I was around locally for the 2-3 years prior to the big debut album- they played somewhere here just about every weekend. Wasn't a fan then, never became one either.

I'm curious to hear more about this - because those recently unearthed Muscle Shoals tapes suggest that Skynyrd had arrived at their sound before Kooper got a hold of them. But I'm totally interested in your firsthand perspective.


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could this be the thread that actually gets me to listen to a Skynyrd record?

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I was actually already familiar with half the songs from that Skynyrd album, but on the whole I think I like it. Even though I was never big on those songs played alone on classic rock radio, they work together well, and there's a certain meanness to the album that I like.

Yeah that first Skynyrd album is excellent. It's hard to hear in context after all these years of rawk radio, but if you squint and imagine "holy fuck, this was a band's opening statement to the world" you can still sorta hear it.



If it didn't include "Free Bird" I'd say that "Second Helping" is even better. But it does, so it wins.

For me:

Willie Nelson - The Red Headed Stranger - I know the singles that came off it but for one reason or another I've never sat down and had a front to back listen

Dave Brubeck - Time Out - mentioned in an earlier thread. Had it in my hands several times and never bought it.

Van Morrison - Moondance - due to the songs I've heard, "Into the Mystic" and the title track I guess I just have avoided it for some reason

The Zombies - Odyssey and Oracle - I think I never bothered with this because the Nuggets comps never really stuck with me save a couple songs here and there and I viewed as more of the same

Ornette Coleman - Shape of Jazz to Come - Always heard of this but just never got around to it. Birth of free jazz? Can't remember what exactly makes it special. I'd put Coletrane's "Ascension" here as well.

Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express - Never listened to it. I'm assuming I've heard samples from it since I've been listening to music the last 30 years. From what I've read I'm still not really compelled to hear it.

Bob Dylan - Basement Tapes - Really, the gaping hole in my music journey. At least from artists that I already love. I've looked in stores before but I can never find it in stock anywhere.

Randy Newman - 12 Songs - This seems to always make all time type of lists but I've just never been moved to investigate despite some people who's taste I relate to loving him.

Husker Du - Zen Arcade - Despite owning "Flip Your Wig", "Land Speed Record", "Warehouse Stories....", and "New Day Rising" I've never heard this. Go figure.

There are thankfully tons more. Gives me something to look forward to I guess (assuming these live up to billing)


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At the risk of being burned at the stake, I still credit Kooper's production as much as anything to the resulting success of the album. I was around locally for the 2-3 years prior to the big debut album- they played somewhere here just about every weekend. Wasn't a fan then, never became one either.

I'm curious to hear more about this - because those recently unearthed Muscle Shoals tapes suggest that Skynyrd had arrived at their sound before Kooper got a hold of them. But I'm totally interested in your firsthand perspective.


Yeah, this one is a must hear
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This may be the greatest unissued first album ever to surface from a major band. The story behind the 78 minutes of music on this CD, cut two years before Lynyrd Skynyrd's official debut album, could fill a chapter of a book. Cut primarily during late June and late July of 1971, with a quintet of 1972-vintage tracks added, they constitute Skynyrd's complete studio recordings from the period when they were still trying to get signed and were playing lots of small-time local gigs for barely enough money to live on. Seven of the songs were released on the 1978 album Skynyrd's First and...Last, and three others appear on the 1991 box set, while "Comin' Home" turned up on The Essential Lynyrd Skynyrd earlier that same year, but this is the first time this potent body of work has been assembled properly, in one place. And, additionally, one previously unissued track by itself justifies the price of this disc -- the original demo version of "Free Bird," on which the soaring harmonies, Billy Powell's beautiful piano, and the Collins-Rossington guitar duo plays with startling fire and lyricism. Several of the tracks do contain overdubs laid on in the mid-'70s (mostly Ed King's bass and some guitar, and even a Mellotron on "White Dove" -- it would be great to hear that song without the electronic string section), but this is still the band at its most raw and unaffected, in terms of what the core members are playing. Ronnie Van Zant's singing was not only powerful, but beautiful at this stage of his career, and the group's playing -- especially the Rossington-Collins double lead guitar attack -- is filled with a fresh spirit of experimentation and adventure that makes these tracks essential listening for anyone who has ever enjoyed this band's work. Evidently, the material and related demos scared the crap out of most record company executives when they were shown around in 1971-1972, and it's easy to see why -- the sound is fierce, the songs not only boldly played but boldly written as well (even the Rick Medlocke-written and sung "The Seasons" is a killer piece of semi-acoustic country-rock), and running anywhere from five to ten minutes apiece. Anyway, most record company executives being inherent cowardly, or stupid, or both, it's easy to see them running from the room over these sounds. Anyone who owns any of Lynyrd Skynyrd's releases should add this magnificent lost chapter in the group's history.

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At the risk of being burned at the stake, I still credit Kooper's production as much as anything to the resulting success of the album. I was around locally for the 2-3 years prior to the big debut album- they played somewhere here just about every weekend. Wasn't a fan then, never became one either.

I'm curious to hear more about this - because those recently unearthed Muscle Shoals tapes suggest that Skynyrd had arrived at their sound before Kooper got a hold of them. But I'm totally interested in your firsthand perspective.


On reflection, my initial time line was a bit off- for some reason I was thinking the debut was in '71. Hell getting old, but no matter. The local period I initially referred to was 68-69, and possibly the very early part of '70, meaning there was maybe a 2 year gap between when I left Jacksonville and the release of the first album.

In the 68-69 time frame, they played everywhere here (except the Northside where I grew up), often free. They were a second rate covers band- never heard an original tune during that period, which I don't condemn them for, just an observation. They couldn't play very well as individuals, or together as a unit. Van Zant had minimal talent as a singer. And that redneck swagger that became associated with them later in their career was pure posing at the time. Maybe they grew into it honestly over the years, I don't know.

There was another local band playing around at about the same time called the Second Coming who were absolutely terrific. They changed their name when Duane and Greg Allman and Jaimoe joined them a year so later. Them, I liked. A lot.

I didn't see much improvement in their musical skills over maybe 20 club shows during that period, then, as I said, I left JAX, and didn't think about them at all until well after the debut had been released, and Freebird was an FM smash.

Odd side note, my first wife and I were trying a reconciliation about that time, and she kept telling me about this song that we had to go get the album, but didn't know who it was, or even the name of the song- not a very bright girl, but I digress- I didn't listen to radio even back then, so based on her description (not very apt), we bought Marshall Tucker Band's "A New Life" first. Oops, she hated that (I didn't), then we found the "right" album, and I was shocked that Skynyrd had been recorded doing anything.

My impressions of the debut were that they were somewhat improved technically, played more as a band than earlier, had written some pretty banal songs, and Van Zant still couldn't sing for shit. Never bought another of their albums.

I haven't heard that Muscle Shoals thing, and have no desire to- was that blurb written by the record company?


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I can't really list albums, but there are some artists I'd probably dig whom I've never listened to a studio album.

Bruce Springsteen
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I'm just now listening to Tim Buckley - Starsailor for the first time. I was a little worried when it started, but it's pretty badass.

Maybe we should have a "Now Listening to a Great Album for the First Time" Thread.


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I'm just now listening to Tim Buckley - Starsailor for the first time. I was a little worried when it started, but it's pretty badass.

Maybe we should have a "Now Listening to a Great Album for the First Time" Thread.
I haven't heard that one either.

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I'm just now listening to Tim Buckley - Starsailor for the first time. I was a little worried when it started, but it's pretty badass.

Maybe we should have a "Now Listening to a Great Album for the First Time" Thread.
I haven't heard that one either.


I tried this album out last year. I had a fairly strong negative reaction to it.

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I'm just now listening to Tim Buckley - Starsailor for the first time. I was a little worried when it started, but it's pretty badass.

Maybe we should have a "Now Listening to a Great Album for the First Time" Thread.
I haven't heard that one either.


I tried this album out last year. I had a fairly strong negative reaction to it.


Hmm. I've never listened to it but I always thought it would be something I'd like. Now you have me rethinking that.

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I'm just now listening to Tim Buckley - Starsailor for the first time. I was a little worried when it started, but it's pretty badass.

Maybe we should have a "Now Listening to a Great Album for the First Time" Thread.
I haven't heard that one either.


I tried this album out last year. I had a fairly strong negative reaction to it.


Hmm. I've never listened to it but I always thought it would be something I'd like. Now you have me rethinking that.


Give it a shot. It might click with you. I'm not saying it's unlistenable, it just wasn't my brand.

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The Zombies - Odyssey and Oracle - I think I never bothered with this because the Nuggets comps never really stuck with me save a couple songs here and there and I viewed as more of the same

Best album ever and you haven't heard it. I wouldn't compare it to the Nuggets series.

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I have not heard the following albums in their entirety:

any Beatles album
any Rolling Stones album not titled "Sticky Fingers"
any Radiohead album not titled "In Rainbows"
any Miles Davis album
any Bob Dylan album that isn't the infamous "Royal Albert Hall" show
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no way in fuck am i gonna try that skynard album

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no way in fuck am i gonna try that skynard album

Yeah, after seeing your top 100, you should definitely give it a wide berth. It's, like, y'know, music.


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The Zombies - Odyssey and Oracle - I think I never bothered with this because the Nuggets comps never really stuck with me save a couple songs here and there and I viewed as more of the same

Best album ever and you haven't heard it. I wouldn't compare it to the Nuggets series.


Hence it's inclusion here. Maybe I'm thinking of the Count Five instead of The Zombies.

I've almost picked it up before but it was the remastered version and it was something like $23.


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Jesus Derris. I have owned The Basement Tapes the entire time I have known you.

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Bad Brains - I Against I
The Band - Music From Big Pink
The Band - The Band
The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour
The Beatles - Let it Be
Can - Tago Mago
Leonard Cohen - just have heard a few songs
Bo Diddley - just have heard a little bit
Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
The Fall - haven't heard anything
Marvin Gaye - What's Goin' On
Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love
Joy Division - Closer
The Kinks - just have heard a few songs
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Pere Ubu - haven't heard anything
The Pogues - haven't heard anything
Portishead - Dummy
The Replacements - Pleased to Meet Me
Roxy Music - haven't heard much
Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
Stevie Wonder - only the hits on radio
X - haven't heard anything
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I think Bad Brains I Against I is probably a bit overrated. I like it ok, but to me their first album is the keeper.

That said, if you like the whole punk/funk/metal vibe that permeates I Against I...it'll knock your dick in the dirt.

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The Band - Music From Big Pink
The Band - The Band
The Beatles - Let it Be
Marvin Gaye - What's Goin' On
Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love
The Kinks - Something Else
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
The Pogues - If I Should Fall From Grace With God
The Replacements - Pleased to Meet Me
Stevie Wonder - Songs In the Key Of Life


Go out and purchase these IMMEDIATELY!

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not knowing much of what anybody likes, although the lists help...

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Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love


this album, aside from being incredible overall, contains the best classic rock song ever written, in the minds of all kaths. meaning this kath.


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Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love


this album, aside from being incredible overall, contains the best classic rock song ever written, in the minds of all kaths. meaning this kath.


Which is? Little Wing I hope because that's his best song.

I'm actually a bigger fan of his other two Experience albums. I think Axis is a little more cheesy and dated than the other two. Some great songs, just not as good all the way through IMO.

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