My guess: there wouldn't be any interaction between them. I'm guessing at some point they're going to make it obvious what I think they've been trying to subtly imply lately - that the whispered voices we've been hearing every once in a while were really them passing themselves in time. Sawyer watching Kate and Claire this week was the first encounter of any kind we've seen, but I bet at some point we're going to see that they can't actually interfere in any way with their past selves or, as Faraday has already explained, events they have experienced, which means they won't be able to see themselves. "Present Sawyer" wouldn't be able to see "time traveling Sawyer" just as "present Kate" wouldn't be able to see "time traveling Sawyer." Unless I'm forgetting something significant in the early episodes where one character ran into another and the encounter was especially strange.

Did Jin and Rousseau really never meet during the first four seasons? I seemed to recall her being around camp every once in a while and it seems like she should have recognized him, crazy or not.

um...

Did you watch the episode? The Rousseau that introduced herself to Jin this time around was about 17 years younger than the one that had "previously" met Jin.

He's talking about the older version of Rousseau, who would have had a memory of this meeting with Jin. Sheesh.

Geez. It was not all clear in the muddy water of mah brain.

Exactly.

The encounter we saw with Jin and Rousseau's crew was essentially a flashback to sixteen years ago. So, while it is a brand new occurrence for Jin who's been shot back in time, that whole scene took place back before Desmond or Oceanic 815 came to the island.

Now that I've understood the English being used, maybe we're supposed to assume that it will be a brief meeting and after everything that happened to Rousseau afterwards, her chance, one-time encounter with Jin is just not that memorable...?

No.

anyone got a link to a torrent or something they can pm to me, please? i can't find it and can't view on abc.

Episodes with a lot of Evangeline Lily >>> Episodes w/o Evangeline Lily.

eztv.it

That's one of the few ideas I could come up with. They're only together for the next five minutes and then he's whooshed away again but that seems pretty unlikely since we're being led to believe we'll finally see her whole story next week.

Or she does just go completely 'round the bend following the death of her husband and the others and the kidnapping of her baby and the following sixteen years alone in the jungle have her forgetting everything else.

Or as with all other time travel interaction, you can't change the past. So because this encounter happens in the past, during time travel, it doesn't actually happen, to the extent that it won't change the course of history and anything that happens from that point forth, including Rousseau's memory of the encounter.

She's dead right? I can't remember. When are we?

We're not changing the past because that whole scene already took place sixteen years ago. That scene took place before Jin got on Oceanic flight 815, before Rousseau met Sayid in the jungle, before Desmond came out of the hatch, and before Ben moved the island.

And, in what is roughly considered "present" island time, Rousseau is dead, yes. Captain Gault killed her, Alex, and Karl.

Temporally, it happened before all that, but chronologically in the story it's happening in the present, which for the moment is before all that.

Fuck it, I'd just rather not ask.

It's only happening chronologically in the story that way because that's the order we're being shown the clips in.


1) Fifty years ago Locke told Richard to come visit him as a child and give him the "Would you be a good Other leader?" test.

2) A couple years later Richard visits young Locke and gives him the test.

3) Another 40-odd years later Locke arrives on the island, Ben turns the wheel, and Locke is sent back in time where #1 occurs.


We saw #3 occur before #1 but #1 still took place first. We know this because #2 happened to Locke before #3 and #2 is a result of #1.


Anything that Locke or Sawyer or Daniel or Rose does during their jumps around through time now doesn't change things because everything that will ever happen has already happened. The beginning of time and the end of time has already been written. We're just looking at different sections of it.

I enjoyed this more before.

so it really didn't matter what daniel did with that hydrogen bomb.

and there's no way that say locke could have killed ethan during their confrontation.

can any of the time-jumpers be killed? so for instance, if ethan had actually killed future locke, it would be possible that locke could stumble across his future dead body?

Ethan couldn't really have killed Locke because that would have meant Locke's body would have to have been really old and decaying when Jack saw it in the funeral home which obviously wasn't the case. Likewise Locke couldn't have killed Ethan because Charlie kills Ethan years later.

Our group that is bouncing around in time can easily die at any moment (like I'm assuming Charlotte will any episode now) because we haven't seen any of them any older than at the present moments.

It didn't really matter what Daniel did with the bomb which is why he says "just encase it in concrete in and bury it. I know it'll work because the island doesn't blow up in the next fifty years."

The key thing to keep in mind and the easiest way I can think to explain it to someone who wasn't raised on comic books like I was is that every scene we see with Sawyer, etc. in the past is basically a flashback just like any of the ones we saw during season 1. Nothing can or will happen in those scenes that didn't already happen in the past of what we consider the current present.

Jin could be shot in the head and killed because this is the oldest Jin we've ever seen. But Rousseau can't be killed because we know she grows old and dies sixteen years later.

your posts are definitley helping me wrap my head around this (me slow)....thanks.

i guess i'm just having a hard time with trying to think that locke could've gone over to himself at the hatch and "warn himself" about certain things that will happen. but, basically i have to keep in mind is that when they are in the past, everything we are watching has already happened and locke did not go over there.

How does all this relate to Faraday talking with Desmond. While Desmond refers to it emphatically as a "memory", we're led to believe narratively that the "memory" came back to him as a result of Faraday messing with the past. Aren't we supposed to assume that Faraday had never actually "met" (albeit by satellite phone) Desmond prior to when they came to the island last season?

Precisely. Locke couldn't have gone over and spoken to himself because he never did come over and speak to himself.




The idea is supposed to be that Daniel knocked on the door and Desmond answered and spoke to him way back before flight 815 crashed and everything else that happened as a result. Desmond just forgot.

It's hokey but the general idea is supposed to be that, back in 2009, he just remembered it now, not that Daniel changed anything necessarily.


You can't change the past because changing the past would mean changing everything that came afterward. If Desmond opened the door and Daniel shot and killed him then Kelvin wouldn't have had time to work on his boat which would mean the clock wouldn't click over which would mean 815 wouldn't crash which would mean Ben wouldn't have turned the wheel which would mean Daniel wouldn't have been sent back in time. And, if he wasn't sent back in time, he certainly couldn't have killed Desmond then.

I think it's safe to say the bomb was burried where the Swan hatch is in season 2.
Also that we will learn that those jumping/observing through time are the whispers commenting upon themselves.

What drove me nuts in season one was the "non-questioning" about what the hell was going on. Some (Kate especially) reactions simply didn't make sense and was written off as bad acting. After the latest episode, I rewatched White Rabbit for some reason from season 1... I'm convinced that some of that season 1 footage is actually some of the losties returning to the island for a second time with the strange knowing looks and not actually talking about the crazy shit going on. Anyway, if you get a chance, rewatch some of season one given what we've seen so far in season 5.

oh yea... references to others are thrown around in abundance... this is way before we knew there were "Others"... they word is used over and over. Also notice the red badge of courage/Vincent swipe to the head of the some characters. No idea, but I think that is how they had the "mark" to know when they were encountering past and current losties.

Woooo.

Rousseau's story was the biggest letdown but the idea of the monster turning her teammates evil is something that will come up again in the future, I'm sure.

Are Jacob and Christian Shepherd the same person?

What exactly is the Others hierarchy like? Eloise seems to be higher than Ben but what's her role in relation to Jacob, Christian, and Richard?

When Christian says everyone must come back, shouldn't that also include Walt? He's been largely ignored in all of this.

What exactly is Daniel's story in all of this? Sometime in the next while he'll presumably run into kid Charlotte and tell her not to come back to the island. But what was the story with him working as a construction worker at the beginning of the first episode? If he was on the island way back when why isn't he suffering any nosebleeds?