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your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds?
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)?

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also, wasn't there a thread about this within the last year?

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also, wasn't there a thread about this within the last year?


if so I missed it. would appreciate a link.


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Spade Kitty Wrote:
your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 60%
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? now, only vinyl
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? no. i no longer buy cd's.
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? i don't.
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? no
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? i would still find them for free online, and then buy the vinyl version.
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. false
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? sell vinyl & cd's (with a digital version included)

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Spade Kitty Wrote:
your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 25%
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? 100% cd
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? yes
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? purchase mp3's?
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? cost?
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? ...we've established I'm not paying for digital music
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. true
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? They should continue to sell it...the price seems reasonable as is

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Spade Kitty Wrote:
1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? Probably 1/10th purchased, though the total volume is low by Obner standards, and a lot of the free stuff doesn't stick around long.
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? Right now almost all is electronic, used to be more like half and half, and we hope to get some good vinyl soon. So it changes.
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? Sure, why not. A physical copy of some kind still holds appeal.
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? A dollar seems about right. But if you ask comsumers what they WANT to pay, the answer is usually "nothing" or close to it.
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? Uhhh, I don't really know. I don't really feel ripped off or un-duly blessed if what I got for my 99 cents is 2 minutes long or 9 minutes.
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? Buy more often.
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. No idea.
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price?) No, they should try to get some money for it, ideally. But that ain't gettin any easier.




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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?
After the last record store in town closed? Probably 20%. Before then, Probably 80%.

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?
80 - 5 - 15. I have been purchasing more electronic in the past few months, however. It was previously zero.

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds?
Yes. Although I never understood the digital only crowd, I do see some advantages for some things I'm not as geeked about.

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?
$0.99 is fine for now. It could probably be higher for songs without much of a ripple. I'm not a big buyer of individual tracks though, unless I'm really just in the mood to snatch "It Ain't No Fun (If The Homies Can't Get None)".

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?
With new technology and some clever ideas, I could see other factors influencing price. But $3.00 for "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"? No, unless someone can show how the delivery cost is substantially higher for a longer mp3.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?
At $0.99, cost is not a factor in my purchasing decisions for songs. It can affect my decision for whole albums.

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.
False. The single biggest factor affecting how much I purchase is that my two main local merchants have gone the way of the dodo, which leaves the closest non-big box stores (I'll order online before BB) at a 25 minute drive or so.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)?
I'm absolutely in favor of musicians creating music with intent to sell it and achieving financial independence through creating music. There is a time and place for free, and it's not nearly as easy as some people think.


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Spade Kitty Wrote:
your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 100%, I've chosen not to download anymore
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? 100% CD
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? Hopefully
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. Yes, which is why I've gone back to buying CDs
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? Bands can do whatever they want with their music

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Alright.

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?

99%

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?

It's maybe 60% CDs, 30% digital, and 10% vinyl.

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds?

I'll be buying way less. That'll have less to do with technology than with economic circumstances.

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?

I was fairly comfortable with my former emusic average of about $.20-$.25, factoring in all the "winback bonuses" they kept giving me.

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?

Not necessarily. That's a real gray area. I don't want to always pay more longer songs, but albums that consist of only 3 or 4 really long songs should arguably cost just as much as standard 10- or 12- song albums of the same running length.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?

Buy more.

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.

False.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)?

Sell it. Recording in a professional studio costs a lot. But the price of sales for non-physical media should always be significantly lower. $10 for an album of mp3s is completely bogus. It think roughly $3-$4 for an mp3 album ($.25-$.40) a track is a fair price. Lossless digital files shouldn't really cost much more, maybe $5 for a standard album ($.40-$.60 a track).


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1) Maybe 50% or so
2) CD's maybe 10% (and that is including 3" CD-Rs), 0% electronic, 20% vinyl, 70% tapes (I know tapes weren't an original option, but I buy mostly tapes)
3) Yeah, probably as long as there are still great mail order series out there (Three Lobed's series from the past few years have made up the majority of my CD purchases), but outside of limited release stuff, no.
4) Don't buy them.
5) No.
6) Still wouldn't use it.
7) False.
8) Probably not go as far as give away, however, I would be more inclined to actually purchase more CDs if there was more product to it. Like Dalen said, buy the CD get a free digital copy, do something with the packaging, arrange the words in the liner notes so that when you unfold them and stand a certain distance back it looks like Huckleberry Hound's face or something.


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Spade Kitty Wrote:
your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 75%
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? 95% vs. 5% vs. 0%
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? Yes
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? <$1
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? No
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? More
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. No
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? No, don't give it away; sell it for about $7.99. I personally don't give a second thought about dropping $10 or less on an album

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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?

pre 2005 or so? close to 100. Now, close to 0
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?

n/a
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? as much as i do now

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? songs should be @ 10-15 cents each

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?
this is the dumbest question I've ever heard

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? I would probably buy something at this rate

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.
100% - it's like leaving the window open, the lights on, a flat screen visible, and a sign that says we don't have an alarm, no one is watching, and you will never get caught - c'mon and steal this shit, you know you want it. Oh, and the people you're getting it from won't miss and won't really care because they make so much money they can afford to give it away -- and then expecting me to pay for some altruistic reason. Fuck you. People hear about your sorry bands because I tell them after I steal the music anyway

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? all that said, probably not. Most bands suck and will never make money touring

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If it's on vinyl I buy it, otherwise I steal it offline. The percentages vary wildly. I got rid of all my CDs, but still expect to keep buying vinyl as long as possible.

Buying MP3s for me gets annoying when I can steal a higher bit-rate better quality than what I would have to purchase most of the time. I think if you're buying them, they should be the highest bitrate possible so those who want that quality can keep them and those who are more concerned about saving space can shrink them. But, that's probably a minority opinion as other people probably are fine with lower quality and don't want to mess with conversions.

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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? Probably about 40%

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? mostly electronic (75%); some cds (20-25%); very little vinyl (0-5%)

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? maybe, but likely not

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? ideally, it'd be nice if it was user determined, but given the scenario where many labels, bands, and companies have to negotiate with each for deals, I am okay with $.50 to $.99 per song. However, I am open to other suggestions, theories, and thoughts on this

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? song length, to me, is not a useful way to determine cost. Harry from down the street doing his own version of Sibelius' Violin Concerto shouldn't cost me more than a well constructed 2 minute pop song just because it's 16 minutes long.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? I would buy more, absolutely, but inevitably would probably end up spending less when all is said and done.

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. eh, maybe? I will go with false though, since that's my gut.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? of course they should continue to sell. Being innovative in the method of sale is more important, IMO, than if they should sell it or not. That just seems like an odd question to me. It's their jobs/careers, so of course they should make money off of music sales. And YES, I think a viable option is selling their music to companies for use in...dun dun dunnnnn....ADVERTISEMENTS!


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your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? Close to 100%

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? CD - 5%, electronic - 95%, vinyl - 0%

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? Just from top three or four favorite bands

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? $.50/each

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? Just for the really short ones - under 60 seconds

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? Would buy more

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. False

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? It just depends. If they sell it, should probably try a big discount like $5/album.

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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 50-60%
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? 25-30% / 0% / 70-75%
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? yes, but probably only used
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? n/a
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? no, just like there is no difference between cost of an album that's 35 vs 70 minutes
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? i just cannot fathom spending even a quarter for an electronic music file.
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. false
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? they should continue to sell, at no more than $10-12 per full length. i will not spend more than that on a new album. i don't care if the packaging is exquisite and costs an absurd amount to print. yes, i'm buying a physical copy with the artwork, but i am not buying specifically for the artwork. that's just a bonus.


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your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?

Probably 90%, I dunno maybe higher given the word "consumed" Most of what I download sits unlistened to on my hard drive.

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?

100% cd now since I quit emusic last year. It would change if I could ever figure out how to get my turntable balanced.

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds?

absolutely

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?

I'm not going to just buy songs, I want full albums. A full album should be no more than $5 in digital form only.

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?

Yes I suppose so. It really doesn't make sense for Double Nickels on a Dime to cost 20X what a jazz cd might in digital form.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?

More

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.

Not sure what you're getting at here. As my collection has gotten larger, I need less and my standards have increased. Something new is taking spins away from something I really like so it better be damn good itself. In that sense, true. But what I think you're getting at is do I buy less because there is a ton of music downloadable illegally. To that, I'd say no or false.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)?

Up to the bands. I can see the benefit for a band starting out and trying to make a name for itself. I think good bands with enough of a following shouldn't be forced to spend their whole lives on the road in order to make a living though. They deserve a normal life too if that's what they want .


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Spade Kitty Wrote:
your input is greatly appreciated

1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 95%
2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? 85% CD; 15% electronic...I prefer having physical copies and I'm not even sure why. But it takes up a lot of space, so the temptation to move to 100% mp3, etc has been tempting for a while.
3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? yep
4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? depends on what I am buying...if it's something I am taking a risk on, I guess I want to average out to $0.50 or $0.69....emusic prices. If I am buying a decent single from iTunes or something, I am fine with the $0.99-$1.29.
5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? don't care really...sometimes a song can be torture if it goes on more than it needs to
6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? I'd probably buy more.
7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. false
8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? You can do whatever you want with your music. If you have little or no fan base, and you're more concerned with people hearing it, then it might be in your best interest to initially give some of it away. People have too little cash nowadays, while having easy access to way too much music. If you think you're getting ripped off by giving it away, sure go ahead and put a price on it. $7 to $12 is a pretty reasonable starter price for a 10-14 track CD/album.



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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?
...tough estimation, but I'd put it at about 90%

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?
...I prefer CD, but with limited money these days and an emusic subscription, that skews things a bit. Still, overall something close to CD: 97%, electronic: 3%, vinly: sloppy leftovers. This year closer to CD: 20%, electronic 80%, vinyl: nope. But that is due mostly to economics.

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds?
...Hell yeah. I hate the electronic format. Example: in my iPod fiasco last week I lost M.I.A.'s Kala... which I had legally downloaded from iTunes. To reacquire it I'm going to have to illegally download it. So obnoxious. Even from sites I could re-download, there is still the problem that I'm paying for something that loses all fiscal value. I can't re-sell a digital file. I like physical copies.

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?
...I really prefer buying whole albums, even digitally. So i don't give two rips about individual mp3 cost, unless it is some gay site that doesn't sell by the album.

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?
...That'll get too confusing too quickly. The only exceptions should be albums with only one or two long tracks. Then it is fine to do a "Music Only Available At Album Price" kind of thing.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?
...Unless album price dropped, probably neither. Like I said, I buy by the album.

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.
...The quantity does not affect my music choices. I just purchase what I want to purchase with the amount of money I can allot to frivolous purchases. Not sure if this answers the question.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)?
...That is entirely up to the band and their financial abilities. I'm guessing most independent bands won't recoup recording/production fees on just selling t-shirts and getting a couple hundred bucks from a venue once every couple of nights. If the band isn't independent, then that really isn't their decision. As far as price, it should be whatever they want to sell it for. Of course, if they're smart they'll make it as low as possible to entice more purchases... but it is their art. *shrug*


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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased? 60%

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl? 80% digital, 20% cd

3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds? yes

4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3? 89 cents

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length? No.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less? More

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely. False.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)? Yes, sometimes



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1) what percentage of music that you consume would you estimate is purchased?

30%

2) if you purchase music,what is the breakdown on cd vs. electronic vs. vinyl?

90% CD 10% vinyl


3) in two years, do you think you will still be buying cds?

Yes.


4) if you purchase mp3s, what should be the cost per mp3?

.99 seems fair.

5) should mp3 costs be variable based on song length?

no.

6) if mp3s were $0.25 instead of $0.99 at itunes, do you think you would buy more of them or just spend less?

Probably buy more. That means albums would be, like, 2 or 3 bucks.

7) true or false: the continually increasing quantity of music I have access to affects my willingness to purchase more music inversely.

true.

8) should bands give recorded music away entirely, in hopes of gaining as many new fans as possible, or should they continue to sell it (if so, what should be the price)?

Continue to sell. $10 for physical CD / album, maybe half that for digital download.

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