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Another one bought and paid for.


yawn....the payroll argument.... :roll:

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*CHAMPS IN BOLD* *PTeam Payroll Rounded to the Millions)
2009
Yankees ($201 Million)
Phillies ($113 Million)

2008
Phillies ($98 million)
Rays ($44 million)
Wow...What a discrepancy!!!
YANKKES - $209 MILLION ($111 Million more than the champs)

2007
Red Sox ($143 million)
Colorado ($54 million)
YANKEES - $190 MILLION ($47 million more than the champs)

2006
St. Louis ($89 million)
Detroit ($83 Million)
YANKEES - $195 MILLION ($106 Million more than the champs)

2005
White Sox ($75 million)
Houston ($77 Million)
YANKEES - $208 MILLION ($133 million more than the champs)

2004
Boston ($127 Million)
St. Louis ($83 million)
YANKEES - $184 MILLION ($57 million more than the champs)

That is just the last six years:
- Only one time did a team with a smaller payroll win the series.
- The Yankees by having far the biggest payroll in each of these six seasons, made it to the series once, and won it once.

The Yankees play by the rules set forth by Major League Baseball.
They pay their luxury tax. They contribute more to revenue sharing than any other team by far. They also happen to generate the most income in baseball. They are in the biggest TV market. They have the highest average road attendance. They have their own TV network. & the Yankee brand is popular worldwide. They also have owners who will spend money on players instead of pocketing it.

History and statistics will show that payroll, while it may buy you the 'best' players around, it doesn't buy you the chemistry and balance that a team needs to win it all. The last 9 years for the Yankees have shown that.... Giambi, Mussina, Randy Johnson, Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown, and a bunch more are examples of high price / high profile players brought in to help win a championship, and it didn't happen.

If people want to be upset. Be upset with teams like the Florida marlins or the Pittsburgh Pirates, who receive around $35-50 million dollars a year through revenue sharing , yet their payrolls are always hovering around $22 million or less.....Where is the rest of that money goin?

This 'Yankees bought themselves another title' argument is nothing but sour grapes.

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They may not win the world series, but when was the last time they didn't have a winning record, and how many times did they make the playoffs the last 6 years?


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it must be hard being a yankees fans, everyone persecuting you

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They may not win the world series, but when was the last time they didn't have a winning record, and how many times did they make the playoffs the last 6 years?


1992 Yankees American League 76 86 .469
1991 Yankees American League 71 91 .438
1990 Yankees American League 67 95 .414
1989 Yankees American League 74 87 .460

Not that long ago....And it wasn't till 95 that they made the playoffs...
There are plenty of teams (im not gonna do the research), that have played .500 or better in each season since the mid 90's...It ain't just the Yanks...

Again, Money can help buy you a team built to get to the post season, but it is a whole nother beast when you get there...and it's been documented that the team with the highest payroll, which for the last decade has been the Yankees cannot buy you a championship.....Sour grapes.

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jewels santana Wrote:
it must be hard being a yankees fans, everyone persecuting you


not at all...it only bothers me when people make arguments that have little validity....if they did any research (google is your friend), they'd see it...but if they don't then I need to.

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No, money doesn't buy the wins, but it sure helps.
Not having a losing season in 17 years proves it. They have at least made the playoffs in 8 out of the last 9 years. The reason money doesn't buy world series rings is because baseball is based on streaks and no matter how good your guys play someone else can always get hot and play better.


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No, money doesn't buy the wins, but it sure helps.
Not having a losing season in 17 years proves it. They have at least made the playoffs in 8 out of the last 9 years. The reason money doesn't buy world series rings is because baseball is based on streaks and no matter how good your guys play someone else can always get hot and play better.


Streaks do play a big role....Pitching does too...

But there ya go...Payroll still doesn't guarantee you a championship..
The Yanks pay their luxury tax. They pay their revenue sharing. They play by the same rules as any other team in baseball. Their boss spends money on payroll (players that have paid off and players that haven't)..

What are the Yanks doing wrong exactly?

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now that baseball season is over i can go back to hating FTs team.

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jewels santana Wrote:
now that baseball season is over i can go back to hating FTs team.


sunday night is gonna be epic, scott

hopefully, it won't be a repeat of 44-6

i still have nightmares about that shit

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Not a Yankees fan.
But I feel good for Girardi (a former Cub and, by all accounts a good guy) who was able to emerge from the shadow of Torre to win a Series.


a burger king manager could've done the job with that team.

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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
No, money doesn't buy the wins, but it sure helps.
Not having a losing season in 17 years proves it. They have at least made the playoffs in 8 out of the last 9 years. The reason money doesn't buy world series rings is because baseball is based on streaks and no matter how good your guys play someone else can always get hot and play better.


Streaks do play a big role....Pitching does too...

But there ya go...Payroll still doesn't guarantee you a championship..
The Yanks pay their luxury tax. They pay their revenue sharing. They play by the same rules as any other team in baseball. Their boss spends money on payroll (players that have paid off and players that haven't)..

What are the Yanks doing wrong exactly?


Pitching is the easiest thing to buy.

I'm not saying the Yankees are doing anything wrong, but the payroll argument is painfully obvious. Yeah, they play by the rules that. Yeah, they share the revenue. Whoopedy do. They enjoy a huge market base that keeps buying tickets to all the games at the end of the season because the team is good. They are a perpetual money making machine which supplements the payroll and fills their roster with players the smaller market teams can no longer afford because the Yanks up the offer.


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Sorry dude...Sour grapes.

I have zero problem with people who hate the Yanks. I have total respect for team loyalty...Hell, as much of a baseball fan I am, I could give a flying fuck about the 29 other teams out there. I wish there was a way for them all to go 0-162 every year....Hate the Yankees because you are loyal to your team...Don't hate them cause they built themselves into something that your team isn't...

The Atlanta Braves pulled of an amazing run in the late 80's and most of the 90's, and into the new century, and they were never one of the highest payroll teams....It's more than buying players...

point made....im enjoying the Yankee championship! peace out.

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and they won one world series

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i'd be willing to relive the chik-fil-a incident once a week for the next year, in exchange for a cowboys blowout over the eagles this weekend

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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
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No, money doesn't buy the wins, but it sure helps.
Not having a losing season in 17 years proves it. They have at least made the playoffs in 8 out of the last 9 years. The reason money doesn't buy world series rings is because baseball is based on streaks and no matter how good your guys play someone else can always get hot and play better.


Streaks do play a big role....Pitching does too...

But there ya go...Payroll still doesn't guarantee you a championship..
The Yanks pay their luxury tax. They pay their revenue sharing. They play by the same rules as any other team in baseball. Their boss spends money on payroll (players that have paid off and players that haven't)..

What are the Yanks doing wrong exactly?


Pitching is the easiest thing to buy.

I'm not saying the Yankees are doing anything wrong, but the payroll argument is painfully obvious. Yeah, they play by the rules that. Yeah, they share the revenue. Whoopedy do. They enjoy a huge market base that keeps buying tickets to all the games at the end of the season because the team is good. They are a perpetual money making machine which supplements the payroll and fills their roster with players the smaller market teams can no longer afford because the Yanks up the offer.


Actually elite pitching is the hardest thing to buy. Top 10 starters rarely hit the Free Agent markets like CC did. They are usually among the first players that teams look to tie up long term and when they can't they usually trade them to someone who can rather than let them become free agents.

Yes, the Yankees have financial resources that no other team has and their payroll is the highest in baseball but this is still mostly a home grown team. 14 of the players on the Yankees world series roster came up through the Yankees minor league system (15 if you count Matsui which seems unfair to do) including half the starting roster and all but AJ, CC, Gaudin and Bruney among pitchers. Their payroll is as high as it is as much because they've kept their core together for so many years as it because they've gone out added high priced players. I think that's to be commended not criticized.


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i'd be willing to relive the chik-fil-a incident once a week for the next year, in exchange for a cowboys blowout over the eagles this weekend

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Only a Red Sox fan would say that. :lol:


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i'd be willing to relive the chik-fil-a incident once a week for the next year, in exchange for a cowboys blowout over the eagles this weekend


that's a false choice - the odds are already pretty good you're gonna blow up a terlet once a week for the next year anyway.

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i'd be willing to relive the chik-fil-a incident once a week for the next year, in exchange for a cowboys blowout over the eagles this weekend


i'll do once a month for a close win

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i'd be willing to relive the chik-fil-a incident once a week for the next year, in exchange for a cowboys blowout over the eagles this weekend


i'll do once a month for a close win


i was just pointing out that blowout was a poor choice of words.

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