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even though benecio is stumbling through an interview so inaudible that the sound of my emptiness inside is drowing it out, i'm still way excited about this flick. i'm really in the mood for a completely overdone comicbook movie right now.


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every review of it thus far says it is pretty awesome.

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I'm going to see it Friday night. It's definitely one of the most interesting movies from a visual standpoint in years.

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i don't want to fight the opening night crowd but i get sucked into this the few days following it:
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I'm thinking I'm going to be quite the Jessica Alba fan after watching this movie.


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Even the posters are awesome. I've never read the graphic novels, but the aesthetic is reeling me in.


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I have a feeling I will either be completely sucked in and love this movie, or the hate and vile spewed by me after seeing it will reach epic proportions. But, I am curious.

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Even the posters are awesome. I've never read the graphic novels, but the aesthetic is reeling me in.
i don't know if you're a fan of the genre but the graphic novels are absolutely sick. still, while they take place in the same "universe" and are relatedthe components are very discrete stories, so i'm a bit interested to see how the vingettes of the books come together as a movie.


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Even the posters are awesome. I've never read the graphic novels, but the aesthetic is reeling me in.
i don't know if you're a fan of the genre but the graphic novels are absolutely sick. still, while they take place in the same "universe" and are relatedthe components are very discrete stories, so i'm a bit interested to see how the vingettes of the books come together as a movie.


I have always been interested in graphic novels, other than Sin City is there any other good one to check out?

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What's a good place to buy these online?


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I have always been interested in graphic novels, other than Sin City is there any other good one to check out?
if we're just talking "non-superhero comics" then my recs would be the Preacher series and then maybe the League of Extradorinary Gentlemen or anything written by alan moore, garth ennis or to a lesser extent, in my opinion, warren ellis. so far as purchasing, i don't tend to value them as collectibles so i'd just pick up used paperbacks from amazon or something. i'm also not a huge fan of comics, there are just a few titles that i like, so others will probably have more fine-tuned advice.


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I have always been interested in graphic novels, other than Sin City is there any other good one to check out?
if we're just talking "non-superhero comics" then my recs would be the Preacher series and then maybe the League of Extradorinary Gentlemen or anything written by alan moore, garth ennis or to a lesser extent, in my opinion, warren ellis. so far as purchasing, i don't tend to value them as collectibles so i'd just pick up used paperbacks from amazon or something. i'm also not a huge fan of comics, there are just a few titles that i like, so others will probably have more fine-tuned advice.


Those are some good ones as is the first volume of Stray Bullets (issues 1-7). The first few volumes of Human Target are pretty good, too, for non-superhero action stuff. The writer of that did DC's Shade: The Changing Man series in the early '90s which is one the best comic series I've ever read. I think only the first 7 issues of that have been collected in a graphic novel, though. The Maxx was also pretty great although a semi-superhero book. I think so far only the first few issues of that have been collected into a GN as well.

The Watchmen is another Alan Moore book, and a lot of people consider the best super-hero/action/sci-fi comic book ever made. It's gonna be a (probably terrible) movie soon.

I've looked through the book Channel Zero by Brian Wood although I've never actually read it. Some friends of mine highly recommend that one.

On the purely visual side, Jimmy Corrigan by Chris Ware is probably the coolest looking comic I've ever seen. Hellboy also had a great look, and the first volume of that (called Seed of Destruction, I think) would probably be worth picking up.


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This movie looks sick.


Of Course the LXG movie was terrible!

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I oh so want to see this movie. It looks so damn cool. Cast looks excellent.

For some reason I want to know who is doing the music that's played in the commercials for it.

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looks good. doubt i can talk the wife into seeing this.

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looks good. doubt i can talk the wife into seeing this.
conversely, my fiance is way stoked about it. once again i'll get to go to the theater and show the dorks what you can really accomplish if you put your mind to it.


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looks good. doubt i can talk the wife into seeing this.


i hear this - my wife hates this type of movie, e.g. violent.


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I have always been interested in graphic novels, other than Sin City is there any other good one to check out?
if we're just talking "non-superhero comics" then my recs would be the Preacher series and then maybe the League of Extradorinary Gentlemen or anything written by alan moore, garth ennis or to a lesser extent, in my opinion, warren ellis. so far as purchasing, i don't tend to value them as collectibles so i'd just pick up used paperbacks from amazon or something. i'm also not a huge fan of comics, there are just a few titles that i like, so others will probably have more fine-tuned advice.


Those are some good ones as is the first volume of Stray Bullets (issues 1-7). The first few volumes of Human Target are pretty good, too, for non-superhero action stuff. The writer of that did DC's Shade: The Changing Man series in the early '90s which is one the best comic series I've ever read. I think only the first 7 issues of that have been collected in a graphic novel, though. The Maxx was also pretty great although a semi-superhero book. I think so far only the first few issues of that have been collected into a GN as well.

The Watchmen is another Alan Moore book, and a lot of people consider the best super-hero/action/sci-fi comic book ever made. It's gonna be a (probably terrible) movie soon.

I've looked through the book Channel Zero by Brian Wood although I've never actually read it. Some friends of mine highly recommend that one.

On the purely visual side, Jimmy Corrigan by Chris Ware is probably the coolest looking comic I've ever seen. Hellboy also had a great look, and the first volume of that (called Seed of Destruction, I think) would probably be worth picking up.


I liked Watchmen...try V for Vendetta as well...

I'm seeing this first showing, first day, as I do with all adult-oriented Robert Rodriguez films...It looks amazing...

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When it comes to comics, you should basically just follow the good writers around. The mistake all the kiddies make is buying books based on their favorite characters rather than who wrote it. This is how Marvel and DC make tons of cash off really bad comics.

Anything by the following is worth a shot:

Alan Moore
Brian Michael Bendis (particularly Powers and his work on Daredevil)
Brian K. Vaughn (Y the Last Man, Ex Machina)
Frank Miller
Paul Chadwick (Concrete)

Warren Ellis and Grant Morrison are usually fairly reliable. The 100 Bullets trade paperbacks are good, too, but Azzarello's work on more traditional superhero comics isn't nearly as good.

Other good stuff:
Blankets by Craig Thompson (very well told, albeit sappy, story about growing up, losing your religion, etc)
It's A Good Life, If You Don't Weaken by Seth
Next Men by John Byrne (a little hard to find as a graphic novel, though)


I could probably think of more. Anyway, graphic novels are expensive. I recommend checking out your library (most big libraries will carry a decent selection of trade paper backs) or reading them in Barnes & Nobles or Borders. Sadly, it's getting harder to do that as American graphic novels are getting pushed off the shelves by Japanese comics, which the kids these days can't seem to get enough of.


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can't wait to see it...what's the deal with "guest director" Tarantino, I thought Robert Rodriguez was the director

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can't wait to see it...what's the deal with "guest director" Tarantino, I thought Robert Rodriguez was the director


It's a Director's Guild thing. Rodriquez felt that Miller should have been given credit as co-director. The Guild said, "sorry, no can do" so Rodriguez stepped aside in protest.

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you should get this. the writing on this story arc is fantastic.
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i keep hearing howard stern talk about sin city and everyone on the show is like 'it's a superhero movie' and i keep wanting to call in and correct them.

i think i'm going to a sneak preview on wednesday and then see it again on thursday or friday night at midnight.

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can't wait to see it...what's the deal with "guest director" Tarantino, I thought Robert Rodriguez was the director


It's a Director's Guild thing. Rodriquez felt that Miller should have been given credit as co-director. The Guild said, "sorry, no can do" so Rodriguez stepped aside in protest.



Yep - & Tarantino directed 1 scene. Got paid a buck.


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From the Star:

Sin City, a new shade of noir
Stunning adaptation transfers images to screen
Uses splashes of colour with black and white to capture spirit of graphic novel


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Beverly Hills, Calif.—Robert Rodriguez had been looking closely at Frank Miller's Sin City graphic novel series for years before he really saw it.

"It took me years to figure it out," the Austin, Tex.-based director of From Dusk `til Dawn, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, the Spy Kids movies and this summer's 3-D kids' flick Shark Boy and Lava Girl, (scheduled for release June 10) tells a hotel ballroom full of journalists in Los Angeles.

A former cartoonist, Rodriguez, 35, had always wanted to make a comic movie, but not just another flying-guy-in-tights comic movie.

"And I've always wanted to do a film noir. But I never put two and two together.

"That this (Sin City) should be the thing.

"The time was right to make it and look like the book."

By "look like the book" Rodriguez doesn't mean "resemble the book." Nor does he mean "inspired by the book" or "fashioned after the book." He means look-exactly-like-the-book. And he means sound-exactly-like-the-book. He means shoot-the-book.

"The more I looked at the books to adapt," Rodriguez says from beneath the brim of a Texas-sized cowboy hat, "I realized they didn't need adapting. It's visual storytelling and it works so well on the page I felt it just work exactly the same way on the screen."

It might have been right back to square one all over again, but it was a liberating return to square one. Rodriguez realized he didn't need a script, a storyboard or anything but what Frank Miller had already created. The book in his hands was its own movie.

"Let's not change anything," he remembers concluding. "Let's not even develop it. Let's just start shooting out of the books."

He also realized he needed Frank Miller. Not just as a writer or a creative consultant, but as a full-fledged collaborator. A co-director. After all, the movie's full title is the same as the comic's: Frank Miller's Sin City. A film by Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez, with one scene "guest directed" by someone named Quentin Tarantino.

Created in 1991, Sin City is a series of black-and-white comic stories that take place in an urban world so stylized, violent and ultra hard-boiled, Philip Marlowe wouldn't even take a leak there.

Typical heroes include Marv (played in the movie by a barely recognizable Mickey Rourke in a career-revitalizing performance), a hulking, scarred beast of a man who goes on a vengeful rampage when the only woman he's loved (a hooker) is murdered.

Then there's Hartigan (Bruce Willis), Sin City's last honest cop, and what's that get him? Eight years in prison on phony charges and the malodorous animosity of "The Yellow Bastard" (Nick Stahl), the spoiled-brat psychotic son of Sin City's most powerful — which is to say most corrupt — politician. The city of angels this ain't.

Sin City was created by Frank Miller as a form of creative recovery. The man who had almost single-handedly revived the moribund superhero genre with his 1986 Batman series The Dark Knight Returns (another urban comic noir), Miller, now 47, had gone to Hollywood only to see his dreams of making movies his way manhandled as badly as one of Marv's would-be opponents.

In retreat, he created Sin City on his terms only. No compromises, no concessions to commercial interests, and no self-censorship.

Sin City is Miller's muse distilled to 100 proof and poured straight from the bottle.

"That's what makes the movie so unique," says Rodriguez of the result. "I didn't want to make a movie out of Sin City. I wanted to make movies into the comics. I wanted to turn cinema into the comics."

Rodriguez, whose far-from-Hollywood studio operation in Austin is another oasis of carefully fortified independence, not only understood and respected Miller's drive for absolute control, he saw it as the key to what made Sin City special.

"When Frank wrote this book," says Rodriguez, who could not be joined by Miller in L.A. because the flu-stricken artist was too ill to travel, "he purposely went and made something he wanted to see himself. He had been through the Hollywood process and had got screwed around and never got to make a movie, went back and said, I'm gonna do what I do best. I'm gonna draw. In fact I'm gonna draw something probably nobody's going to want to see.

"That's the purest way to make something. He never foresaw it being a movie. Never foresaw it being mass-produced. It was very unselfconscious. That's why I wanted to do it and stay true to the book and not even re-think it."

To convince the artist it was possible, Rodriguez prepared a five-minute, two-character segment. Shot with actors Josh Hartnett and Marley Shelton, the sequence — which would eventually frame the finished film — was designed to convince Miller of three things: that his comic vision could be brought to the screen intact thanks to the use of computer-based green-screen technology (which Rodriguez had generously used in his Spy Kids movies), that it wouldn't look like any other comic book movie, and that Frank Miller should come aboard as a co-director.

"I used to be a cartoonist," says Rodriguez. "I told Frank, `It's not really very different from drawing, directing. It's really more like what you're used to doing as a cartoonist.'"

Miller agreed, but the American Directors' Guild did not. The Guild told Rodriguez it was against its regulations for an inexperienced cartoonist to be signed on as a full co-director, so Rodriguez quit the Guild. If Sin City couldn't be made with Guild approval with Miller as co-director, it wouldn't be made with Guild approval. But it would be made with Frank Miller.

Sin City was shot at Rodriguez's Troublemaker production facilities in Austin. Rodriguez took charge primarily of the technology while Miller focused on directing the actors. And they loved him. No one knew more than Miller about the characters' past, present and futures, and he developed an intimate rapport with all the actors chosen for Sin City's cast of losers, killers, hookers, thugs and whisky-scented martyrs.

He even got over his initial misgivings about casting Mickey Rourke as the tragic and battered man-mountain Marv. The problem was, Miller hadn't seen Rourke since 9 1/2 Weeks.

Rodriguez, on the other hand, had worked with the notoriously "difficult" actor as recently as Once Upon a Time in Mexico. "I know (Mickey) and what a tortured soul he is," says Rodriguez.

He remembers telling Miller: "There's only one guy I know who can be Marv, and you're not going to get it from any of his other work." Still, Miller wasn't sure. To him, Mickey Rourke was the guy pouring milk into Kim Basinger's mouth. Finally, Rodriguez sold him. "Look, Mickey is as close as we can get to Marv without being hurt," he told the artist.

It was one of the few moments where Rodriguez felt comfortable pushing against Miller's instincts. Otherwise, he operated on the principle that he was there as a facilitator, not even as an interpreter, of Miller's dark vision. It was, after all, Frank Miller's Sin City.

"That was the main reason I didn't want to screw up the movie," Rodriguez laughs. "Because if you do a bad movie then you kill the comic as well. And then Frank wouldn't be able to return to Sin City either."


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And here I thought that was just a Tragically Hip song.

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