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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:55 pm 
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Swordfishtrombones isn't nearly as abrasive as I was thought it would be, based upon some of your comments. I was expecting his version of Trout Mask Replica. Mind you, 'Underground' had me a little concerned, but it's more a natural evolution of what he was doing with Heartattack.


This was a great album and can easily see why this gets lauded. Oddly enough, I'd say that this seems like it should be the soundtrack to some sort of fucked up film. It kind of elicits that kind of a feel. And 'Frank's Wild Years' should have run at least 10 min, I think.

Well see if it continues with Rain Dogs. I had a friend who would play this constantly in his car and I grew to loathe it and by extension, the artist as well. I'm not terribly fond of this friend either, actually.

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With its jarring rhythms and unusual instrumentation -- marimba, accordion, various percussion -- as well as its frequently surreal lyrics, Rain Dogs is very much a follow-up to Swordfishtrombones, which is to say that it sounds for the most part like The Threepenny Opera being sung by Howlin' Wolf. The chief musical difference is the introduction of guitarist Marc Ribot, who adds his noisy leads to the general cacophony. But Rain Dogs is sprawling where its predecessor had been focused: Tom Waits' lyrics here sometimes are imaginative to the point of obscurity, seemingly chosen to fit the rhythms rather than for sense. In the course of 19 tracks and 54 minutes, Waits sometimes goes back to the more conventional music of his earlier records, which seems like a retreat, though such tracks as the catchy "Hang Down Your Head," "Time," and especially "Downtown Train" (frequently covered and finally turned into a Top Ten hit by Rod Stewart five years later) provide some relief as well as variety. Rain Dogs can't surprise as Swordfishtrombones had, and in his attempt to continue in the direction suggested by that album, Waits occasionally borders on the chaotic (which may only be to say that, like most of his records, this one is uneven). But much of the music matches the earlier album, and there is so much of it that that is enough to qualify Rain Dogs as one of Waits' better albums.

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Swordfishtrombones isn't nearly as abrasive as I was thought it would be, based upon some of your comments. I was expecting his version of Trout Mask Replica. Mind you, 'Underground' had me a little concerned, but it's more a natural evolution of what he was doing with Heartattack.


This was a great album and can easily see why this gets lauded. Oddly enough, I'd say that this seems like it should be the soundtrack to some sort of fucked up film. It kind of elicits that kind of a feel. And 'Frank's Wild Years' should have run at least 10 min, I think.


Think you're getting this confused with your group-project "Dick's Picks".


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:15 pm 
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I've passed Small Change after a quick listen and onto Heartattack and Vine. Simply stated, I like the albums with guitars.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but Waits tries so hard on the early stuff to take you inside those songs, to the place and tone of his characters and I don't really want to go there unless it's past Midnight, I'm depressed and sipping on wine or whiskey.


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Yeah, this is where it all comes apart.

Songs like 'Singapore' and 'Cemetary Polka' are precisely what I used to imagine what all Tom Waits must sound like and why I never wanted to even give him a chance. But then songs like 'Clap Hands', 'Jockey Full of Bourbon' and 'Hang Down Your Head' are pretty great. I don't know, I'll keep muddling through Rain Dogs the whole way but multiple listens are gonna be tough.

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Yeah, this is where it all comes apart.

Songs like 'Singapore' and 'Cemetary Polka' are precisely what I used to imagine what all Tom Waits must sound like and why I never wanted to even give him a chance. But then songs like 'Clap Hands', 'Jockey Full of Bourbon' and 'Hang Down Your Head' are pretty great. I don't know, I'll keep muddling through Rain Dogs the whole way but multiple listens are gonna be tough.


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On this note, I'm suspending the Waits project until Tuesday. Rain Dogs beat me. The second half was all right but it's definitely the least enjoyable album I've heard thus far. Some great songs are embedded in there, much like a series of benign polyps in a shit-filled cancerous colon.

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On this note, I'm suspending the Waits project until Tuesday. Rain Dogs beat me. The second half was all right but it's definitely the least enjoyable album I've heard thus far. Some great songs are embedded in there, much like a series of benign polyps in a shit-filled cancerous colon.

Good luck the rest of the way. CHH on the horizon.


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Actually, I think the next one, Franks Wild Years is pretty darn good. And I think there are a few tracks on there anyway that I expect will be to your liking.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:37 pm 
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Blue Valentine. Yeah, this was great. Not sure I'd ever listened to the whole thing before, and that was obviously a mistake. Really enjoyed "Red Shoes by the Drugstore" and "$29.00", especially. So far this and Nighthawks are the two early Waits albums I most need to spend more time with.


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I can hear where TEH MACHINE's fatigue comes from, but I find Waits' 80s output (through Rain Dogs) MUCH more interesting to listen to than his 70's stuff.

The 80s stuff is disjointed and kind of weird and the 70s stuff is easy-listening in comparison.


Also, I never knew that "Downtown Train" by Rod Stewart was a Tom Waits cover.


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i've enjoyed re-trying the early albums, now we're into the good stuff finally

underground was the first waits song i heard and liked

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 Post subject: Re: DumpJack Listens to Tom Waits' Discography
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Heartattack and Vine. Another good one. Not sure I like it quite as much as the previous one, but in general these are starting to make Swordfishtrombones seem like less of an extreme leap forward than I had previously thought. The arrangements/instrumentation definitely got a lot better and more interesting than this, and the songs got a little wilder and more creative. Anyway, we'll see when I get to that one if it's really that different, but I'm so used to that album by now that it could never really seem weird to me.


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 Post subject: Re: DumpJack Listens to Tom Waits' Discography
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One from the Heart. Well, I think I actually like this one better than Heartattack so I don't know what I was thinking. This is really nicely varied stylistically and a pretty strong album overall. I'm not crazy about all of the Crystal Gayle stuff, but it's forgivable. I guess DumpJack will have something to look forward to by leaving this for after Waits' other studio stuff.


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Swordfishtrombones. Yeah, this is probably my favorite Tom Waits album, just edging out Rain Dogs (but we'll see). Even the instrumentals are awesome. On his early stuff, the slow songs can be a little tedious or schmaltzy, but here tracks like "Johnsburg, Illinois", "In the Neighborhood", and "Soldier's Things" just leave me wanting more. And then of course there's "Underground", "16 Shells from a Thirty-Ought Six", and "Frank's Wild Years" which are just too good to be true.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:35 pm 
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Rain Dogs. Well now I don't know. I love this one, too, all 19 tracks and 54 minutes of it. I had thought there was maybe a track or two on here that I didn't like, but no, that's not the case. I can't really pick between this and Swordfishtrombones, but why should I? You know, it's kinda hard to wrap my head around the fact that this came out in 1985. I mean, just about any other time would make more sense for this than smack-dab in the middle of the '80s.

So, I guess DumpJack's off of this until next week? I'm debating whether or not to bring Frank's Wild Years with me to work tomorrow and forge ahead on my own.


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Rain Dogs. it's kinda hard to wrap my head around the fact that this came out in 1985. I mean, just about any other time would make more sense for this than smack-dab in the middle of the '80s.

It actually made perfect sense at the time. I guess if you paint the decade with a broad brush it was all supposed to be angular haircuts and noo wave dancing, but Rain Dogs and Swordfishtrombones never sounded all that alien.


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To me, even in the context of all the left field stuff I'm familiar with from the '80s, Rain Dogs and Swordfishtrombones still sound like they were conceived totally outside of their time. I mean, I'll take your word for it given that I was five years old at the time, and I can see how it could have seemed like a perfectly logical countermeasure to so much of what was going on in the mainstream.


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So, I guess DumpJack's off of this until next week? I'm debating whether or not to bring Frank's Wild Years with me to work tomorrow and forge ahead on my own.


Jump ahead, Drinky and I'll catch up on Monday with Frank's Wild Years; I'll be starting full bore again until the bitter end this Monday. Actually I'm morbidly curious as to what lies next.

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Rain Dogs took a lot of listens for me to adore. A few songs grabbed me right away, but it took several years before the album made sense as a whole.

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So, I guess DumpJack's off of this until next week? I'm debating whether or not to bring Frank's Wild Years with me to work tomorrow and forge ahead on my own.


Jump ahead, Drinky and I'll catch up on Monday with Frank's Wild Years; I'll be starting full bore again until the bitter end this Monday. Actually I'm morbidly curious as to what lies next.


Well I forgot to grab it this morning so it looks like I'll be waiting until Monday, too.


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Tom Waits wrote a song called "Frank's Wild Years" for his 1983 Swordfishtrombones album, then used the title (minus its apostrophe) for a musical play he wrote with his wife, Kathleen Brennan, and toured with in 1986. The Franks Wild Years album, drawn from the show, is subtitled, "un operachi romantico in two acts," though the songs themselves do not carry the plot. Rather, this is just the third installment in Waits' eccentric series of Island Records albums in which he seems most inspired by German art song and carnival music, presenting songs in spare, stripped-down arrangements consisting of instruments like marimba, baritone horn, and pump organ and singing in a strained voice that has been artificially compressed and distorted. The songs themselves often are conventional romantic vignettes, or would be minus the oddities of instrumentation, arrangement, and performance. For example, "Innocent When You Dream," a song of disappointment in love and friendship, has a winning melody, but it is played in a seesaw arrangement of pump organ, bass, violin, and piano, and Waits sings it like an enraged drunk. (He points out the arbitrary nature of the arrangements by repeating "Straight to the Top," done as a demented rhumba in act one, as a Vegas-style Frank Sinatra swing tune in act two.) The result on record may not be theatrical, exactly, but it certainly is affected. It also has the quality of an inside joke that listeners are not being let in on.

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This is where he started to lose me. Not completely though. Bone Machine had some great moments, but by Mule Variations his barstool ballads and theatrical croak had (for me) descended into unintentional parody. So much of it sounds like a scene out of a lost Muppet movie in which the Cookie Monster finds himself a skag addiction and sing/speaks "It's Not Easy Being Green" while an off-screen short order cook throws cutlery into a kitchen sink.


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I like this better than Rain Dogs already, but not by much. Songs like 'Temptation' kind of stop me in my tracks.

EDIT: 'Innocent When You Dream', jesus christ. I can't believe there's a dozen songs to go.

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Songs like 'Temptation' kind of stop me in my tracks.


In a good or bad way? I love that one.

There are several really good to great songs on this album, but on the whole it just doesn't work that that well for some reason. The previous two albums just flow so effortlessly, and this one feels really cumbersome and overlong. It's weird, and I can't quite pinpoint what's missing. Taken out of context, I love "Temptation", "Hang on St. Christopher" and "Straight Up to the Top", though.


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Songs like 'Temptation' kind of stop me in my tracks.


In a good or bad way? I love that one.

There are several really good to great songs on this album, but on the whole it just doesn't work that that well for some reason. The previous two albums just flow so effortlessly, and this one feels really cumbersome and overlong. It's weird, and I can't quite pinpoint what's missing. Taken out of context, I love "Temptation", "Hang on St. Christopher" and "Straight Up to the Top", though.


Yeah, that track and the next definitely are hard for me. Also, agree about the album as a whole, which again doesn't work for me but paradoxically I kind of like what's going on musically, 'Please Wake Me Up' for instance was really interesting. It sounds like it's being beamed in from another universe. But yeah, this is another one that I can't ever see revisiting. BUT, we do get 'Way Down in the Hole'.

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