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hahaha, i told her she just made up her own story.


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someone at work said she thought they all died in the original planecrash and the whole gd show was some time of purgatory.

did anyone get that from the ending?

Kill her. For her own good.



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i just remember the flying jack punch near the side of the island. LOLZ.


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i just remember the flying jack punch near the side of the island. LOLZ.


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My friend and I both laughed audibly for that. So. Gay. (no offense OPA!)


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 Post subject: Re: Lost: The Final Season
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a friend emailed this. not sure if it helped.



"In the end, a man named Christian Shephard gathered a flock (including his prodigal son) in a place of worship, where they joyfully accepted their fate and moved on to the next phase of the afterlife, indicated by a bright and glorious light.
As always, “Lost” was about redemption and forgiveness, faith and hope, trying to be the best person you can be — and letting go when your time is up.
Is Christian the father, Jack the son and Desmond the Holy Ghost? Were Jacob and his nemesis Cain and Abel? Was the island the Garden of Eden?
It’s probably not that simple; nothing with “Lost” was ever easy. But the Biblical imagery and references have been there from the start, so we shouldn’t have been surprised that the finale was so steeped in religious themes.
In the final episode, we learned the “Sideways” world was more like a purgatory, where each of the characters believed he or she was operating in a real-life setting, when in fact they were all gone
How could it be that Jack, who died on the island, was existing in this world that included Kate and Sawyer and others who had managed to escape? Because time doesn’t work in the same way in the afterlife as it does on Earth. (“There is no ‘now’ here,” Christian Shephard tells his son. And, by the way, did you notice the menorah and the Buddha statue in that room in the church?)
“You can let go now,” Rose told Jack when Oceanic 815 didn’t crash in that alternate world. In the post-mortem show, Jimmy Kimmel posited to Matthew Fox that when Rose said those words, Jack was dying on the island, and everything we saw after that in Los Angeles was part of Jack’s purgatory.
Let’s say Jack spent 40 years in that alternate world as a surgeon with an ex-wife, a young son — nobody really aging, Jack not aware that time wasn’t really moving. In the real world, the other characters live their lives, some dying of old age. Eventually, they’re all in that same Los Angeles-looking afterlife, continuing to grow spiritually until they were ready to move on.
Except for those who weren’t ready, e.g., Benjamin Linus, who remained outside the place of worship and said he still had some things to take care of.
Take this cup and drink from it
No way the last episode could tie up all the loose ends left dangling after six years of watching this long-form narrative play out. If the series’ creators had taken questions for three hours after the show, we STILL wouldn’t have all the answers.
But over the last few weeks, a number of major mysteries were resolved — and, in the final episode, we saw so many familiar faces from past seasons return for powerful reunions. Love stories. Siblings. Fathers and sons. Friends."


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 Post subject: Re: Lost: The Final Season
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But the Biblical imagery and references have been there from the start, so we shouldn’t have been surprised that the finale was so steeped in religious themes.


I don't agree with that. I don't think the biblical imagery started up until the appearance of Jacob. Yes, I think Jack's inability initially to reconcile the loss of his father (and their tenuous relationship) could be skewed towards a religious slant, but hell, there are a great many people in this world who just have "daddy issues" and hold onto regret. (edit: sorry, maybe there was always biblical "imagery" but I don't think it took on a religious SLANT until Jacob emerged)

Clearly the show ENDED UP being about Jack's redemption, but I don't think it started off as being about that. I also find it a tad irritating to have the producers say that they wanted to create an intelligent show for intelligent people, and have it reduced to "guess what? they all DEAD!"


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 Post subject: Re: Lost: The Final Season
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Actually, the fact that its end is evoking such negative reactions from some probably speaks to its strength throughout the series if nothing else.

No, it speaks to the strength of the central mystery in the premise and how thoroughly the show betrayed it.

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It started with the characters and ended with them.

Show me a story that doesn't do this.


So if you hadn't been so interested in the show at the beginning (presumably because you thought it "good") you would still be this unhappy with the ending?

Anyway, I'm not trying to sway anyone and I'm definitely not trying to start a debate (1. because I just don't debate / argue well 2. because me getting into one with you is no better spent than if I actually stood and walked in a circle - plus, that's what drinky is here for).

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I don't see how those two points are mutually exclusive, fwiw. I did read it quickly, though. It seems like the central mystery was the big hook, and they didn't really deliver on it. AND it seems like any ensuing interest was probably character-based.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost: The Final Season
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a friend emailed this. not sure if it helped.



"In the end, a man named Christian Shephard gathered a flock (including his prodigal son) in a place of worship, where they joyfully accepted their fate and moved on to the next phase of the afterlife, indicated by a bright and glorious light.
As always, “Lost” was about redemption and forgiveness, faith and hope, trying to be the best person you can be — and letting go when your time is up.
Is Christian the father, Jack the son and Desmond the Holy Ghost? Were Jacob and his nemesis Cain and Abel? Was the island the Garden of Eden?
It’s probably not that simple; nothing with “Lost” was ever easy. But the Biblical imagery and references have been there from the start, so we shouldn’t have been surprised that the finale was so steeped in religious themes.
In the final episode, we learned the “Sideways” world was more like a purgatory, where each of the characters believed he or she was operating in a real-life setting, when in fact they were all gone
How could it be that Jack, who died on the island, was existing in this world that included Kate and Sawyer and others who had managed to escape? Because time doesn’t work in the same way in the afterlife as it does on Earth. (“There is no ‘now’ here,” Christian Shephard tells his son. And, by the way, did you notice the menorah and the Buddha statue in that room in the church?)
“You can let go now,” Rose told Jack when Oceanic 815 didn’t crash in that alternate world. In the post-mortem show, Jimmy Kimmel posited to Matthew Fox that when Rose said those words, Jack was dying on the island, and everything we saw after that in Los Angeles was part of Jack’s purgatory.
Let’s say Jack spent 40 years in that alternate world as a surgeon with an ex-wife, a young son — nobody really aging, Jack not aware that time wasn’t really moving. In the real world, the other characters live their lives, some dying of old age. Eventually, they’re all in that same Los Angeles-looking afterlife, continuing to grow spiritually until they were ready to move on.
Except for those who weren’t ready, e.g., Benjamin Linus, who remained outside the place of worship and said he still had some things to take care of.
Take this cup and drink from it
No way the last episode could tie up all the loose ends left dangling after six years of watching this long-form narrative play out. If the series’ creators had taken questions for three hours after the show, we STILL wouldn’t have all the answers.
But over the last few weeks, a number of major mysteries were resolved — and, in the final episode, we saw so many familiar faces from past seasons return for powerful reunions. Love stories. Siblings. Fathers and sons. Friends."

This is just someone making excuses for the show. "No way the last episode could tie up all the loose ends left dangling after six years of watching this long-form narrative play out"... well, yeah, there's no way they could when it was all arbitrary bullshit that didn't mean anything. But they could have if they'd had a plan from day 1.

"Time doesn’t work in the same way in the afterlife as it does on Earth." No, genius, time simply doesn't exist in the afterlife. To an eternal being (and, in Christian lore, the afterlife is eternal) there is no past nor future. Everything happens at once, always happened, and always will happen.

But anyway, this whole Christian reading of Lost is a cop out. It's a way to offer "answers" for everything as long as you don't think too hard (like Christianity itself). The kindergarten-level notion of purgatory explains the flash-sideways (badly - and remember that plotline only appeared this season), but explains nothing else. Obviously, some viewers are gonna feel all warm and fuzzy that their fave characters got to go to heaven (and btw fuck you, Winston - dogs got no souls), but to pretend that's anything other than cheap emotional manipulation is delusional.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost: The Final Season
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I tuned into the 2 hour special before the actual finale. Mainly wanted to hear the actors non-character voices.

But I just got annoyed whenever the show creators came on. I don't know which is which, but my ire was focused on the twerpy one wearing dark shit and dark tie, glasses, shaven-head with matching 5 o'clock shadow.

I was thinking that if I ever saw a guy who looked like that in a bar, he would be part of a crowd of similarly pretentious fucks, and I would hear snippets of conversation like, "...his suit was NOT appropriate" and "...they served pinot noir, if you can believe it" and "I just can't take ANOTHER trip to Mendocino right now."

A few drinks in I would be itching for an excuse to go up and punch him in his stupid face.

And the actual finale confirmed that my instincts were right.

With regards to the finale, I am going to take a few days and assimilate everything. But that part that had me going "BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT!" (aside from the last 20 minutes) was the plane taking off.

Every time the plot line came back to that plane this season, I was praying that there would be some way that it would finally get blown up or rendered useless. But NO, they actually got on a fucking plane that had essentially crash-landed on a jungle island, been subjected to the elements for who knows how long, and took off.

I'd like to think that you don't have to be an airplane geek like me to know that the plane would essentially be a paper-weight by that point. To me it was just another "F-you, I'm outie!" from the writers.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost: The Final Season
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i agree with rads' point above - not having a plan from the beginning made them have to devise some sort of supernatural/religious ending because there was no real scientific basis that could have accounted for all the shit that went down. they could have done that at the start and tailored the entire show around a scientific reality but they didnt, and that painted then into a corner. i gues that's the only disappointment for me, but its not that surprising after seeing how the show was evolving over the past couple of seasons and all the hippy-dippy pan-religious shit prevelant throughout the show.

that said, on balance I still enjoyed the show.

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So if you hadn't been so interested in the show at the beginning (presumably because you thought it "good") you would still be this unhappy with the ending?


The ending was a cheap device that would get you failed in Creative Writing 101.

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2. because me getting into one with you is no better spent than if I actually stood and walked in a circle


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I thought Season 1 was possibly the best single season of any tv show I have ever seen...

Since then and with that, i feel like a gigantic weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I am happy it is over already....

looking forward to saying my goodbyes to 24 tonight as well.

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Man, 24.

See now there's a show that makes Lost look great. Most long-running TV dramas do, really.


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But the Biblical imagery and references have been there from the start, so we shouldn’t have been surprised that the finale was so steeped in religious themes.


I don't agree with that. I don't think the biblical imagery started up until the appearance of Jacob.


Jacob's first appearance was at the end of season 5 (though he was mentioned earlier, in season 3). Biblical imagery started as early as as the first season. Remember Mr. Eko in season 2? Dude was all about the bible. More biblical stuff here:

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Yeah, in fact I don't think the sci-fi themes really got that big until Season 4. Maybe Season 2 with the hatch/introduction of Dharma, but even then, there were always heavy metaphysical/spiritual undercurrents, themes of redemption, destiny, faith etc. Just the name "Dharma" implies more than straight science. People were speculating about the island being some form of purgatory since at least Season 1.

But I also get the complaint that the sci-fi elements and all the time-traveling seemed arbitrary and pointless in the end. To me that says that even as late as Season 4, they weren't sure how to end the show, but in the end they found themselves painted into a corner more or less, and, I suppose, in the writers' minds they were unable to resolve the show in a satisfactory way by somehow tying up the increasingly convoluted science fiction themes.


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But the Biblical imagery and references have been there from the start, so we shouldn’t have been surprised that the finale was so steeped in religious themes.


I don't agree with that. I don't think the biblical imagery started up until the appearance of Jacob.


Jacob's first appearance was at the end of season 5 (though he was mentioned earlier, in season 3). Biblical imagery started as early as as the first season. Remember Mr. Eko in season 2? Dude was all about the bible. More biblical stuff here:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bible


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The show was great when it was mystery-on-top-of-mystery, until they started to try explain anything. Then they submitted to cliché, what ended up being a total saturation of it. For it being clever, somewhat daring, keeping steps ahead of its audience for some time, Lost was a totally original show. However, explanations that viewers dreamed up 3 or 4 seasons ago were at least on par with the trite we were fed last night, and throughout the last season especially (excepting one Desmond episode). That is disappointing, and insulting to the viewer, particularly with the righteous stance the producers take on the tortuous but ultimately 'direct' path and eventual ending of the show. In fact, I actually felt somewhat sorry for the writers last night for what began as such a peerless story had become entirely diluted by pedestrian creative devices. Really fucking patronizing lowest common denominator shlock. schLOST. Whatever, I still enjoyed the series. It's the only TV I've cared for at all in recent memory, but the prolonged denouement of the whole damn thing over seasons and years was a serious letdown on an imaginative premise. Unfolded unimaginatively in the end.


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Did Rads write this for Defamer?
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For years, the show's creators and actors have been running the same bullshit line about how Lost is a character-driven show. Here is the thing, though: It is not a character-driven show. It is a show, that has characters! But the characters do not "drive" the show, except in the sense that they do things that help advance the plot. Because it is a "plot-driven" show! Lost is a show that is interesting because it has an interesting plot. Frankly, most of the characters suck! Especially Kate. And Jack. And Sawyer. And, really, all of them, except for Ben.


It even mentioned creative writing class.


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looking forward to 24 tonight as well.


young son and i have watched every episode together.
nothing like a little head lopping and battery cables attached to keifer sutherland's nipples to really bond.

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