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Apropos of nothing, it seems Keith Richards beat Lou Reed to Metal Machine Music by half a decade:



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Holy shit, I forgot how much I truly hate 'Cool, Calm, Collected'.

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Apropos of nothing, it seems Keith Richards beat Lou Reed to Metal Machine Music by half a decade:




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OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop

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OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop


After only one listen, Buttons to Buttons is pretty much hot trash save the aforementioned "Connection', "My Obsession" and "She Smiled Sweetly."


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I gave back my membership card once I realized the Grateful Dead and Gaslight Anthem were part of it. Thanksbutnothanks.


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discostu Wrote:
Senator Lou Garra Wrote:
Mick Jagger Wrote:
OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop


After only one listen, Buttons to Buttons is pretty much hot trash save the aforementioned "Connection', "My Obsession" and "She Smiled Sweetly."


You're crazy. This isn't my favorite Stones record but it's far from "hot trash". I mean, "Ruby Tuesday" and "Let's Spend The Night Together" are on this for chrissakes. Also, "Miss Amanda Jones".

I think it's such an interesting pop artifact considering where they went the very next year. The psychedelic stylings of 1967 seems to be something they had to go through to get them to 1968, "Beggar's Banquet", and on to becoming the best band on Earth.

Hearing it for the first time it sounds so out of left field. It's pretty polarizing and I think for that reason, it's a certain kind of music fan's favorite Stones record.


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discostu Wrote:
Senator Lou Garra Wrote:
Mick Jagger Wrote:
OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop


After only one listen, Buttons to Buttons is pretty much hot trash save the aforementioned "Connection', "My Obsession" and "She Smiled Sweetly."


It's Between The Buttons, Cochise, and kill yourself.


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Rick Derris Wrote:
discostu Wrote:
Senator Lou Garra Wrote:
Mick Jagger Wrote:
OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop


After only one listen, Buttons to Buttons is pretty much hot trash save the aforementioned "Connection', "My Obsession" and "She Smiled Sweetly."


You're crazy. This isn't my favorite Stones record but it's far from "hot trash". I mean, "Ruby Tuesday" and "Let's Spend The Night Together" are on this for chrissakes. Also, "Miss Amanda Jones".

I think it's such an interesting pop artifact considering where they went the very next year. The psychedelic stylings of 1967 seems to be something they had to go through to get them to 1968, "Beggar's Banquet", and on to becoming the best band on Earth.

Hearing it for the first time it sounds so out of left field. It's pretty polarizing and I think for that reason, it's a certain kind of music fan's favorite Stones record.


I'm with you on it not being hot trash. The "certain kind of music fan" though is basically someone who doesn't like the Stones much. e.g. POD.


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Yeah, this is a Beatles fan's fave Stones record. At least one who votes Beatles over Stones in those sorts of polls.


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Rick Derris Wrote:
Yeah, this is a Beatles fan's fave Stones record. At least one who votes Beatles over Stones in those sorts of polls.


I forgot about "Miss Amanda Jones" which in retrospect foreshadows Brian's demise. Basically, a song calling him a spoiled little bitch.

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Rick Derris Wrote:
Yeah, this is a Beatles fan's fave Stones record.


this is true.
i have a few rabid beatles fans as friends and they all pick this as their fave stones rekkid.


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Yeah, I sorta hated Between the Buttons at the time (the Stones going pop and soft), but in retrospect now and listening to this, it still is better than anything after Goat Heads Soup (although I'll be interested in what the discussion is about Tatoo You).

Really, if you didn't love the Stones for the other expected reasons even Lady Jane is a "nugget" that is quirky and invokes a time and place now gone.

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Without a doubt, no Rolling Stones album — and, indeed, very few rock albums from any era — split critical opinion as much as the Rolling Stones' psychedelic outing. Many dismiss the record as sub-Sgt. Pepper posturing; others confess, if only in private, to a fascination with the album's inventive arrangements, which incorporated some African rhythms, Mellotrons, and full orchestration. Never before or since did the Stones take so many chances in the studio. This writer, at least, feels that the record has been unfairly undervalued, partly because purists expect the Stones to constantly champion a blues 'n' raunch world view. About half the material is very strong, particularly the glorious "She's a Rainbow," with its beautiful harmonies, piano, and strings; the riff-driven "Citadel"; the hazy, dream-like "In Another Land," Bill Wyman's debut writing (and singing) credit on a Stones release; and the majestically dark and doomy cosmic rocker "2000 Light Years From Home," with some of the creepiest synthesizer effects (devised by Brian Jones) ever to grace a rock record. The downfall of the album was caused by some weak songwriting on the lesser tracks, particularly the interminable psychedelic jam "Sing This All Together (See What Happens)." It's a much better record than most people give it credit for being, though, with a strong current of creeping uneasiness that undercuts the gaudy psychedelic flourishes. In 1968, the Stones would go back to the basics, and never wander down these paths again, making this all the more of a fascinating anomaly in the group's discography.

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And I snagged a link for the mono version from collectors-only.blogspot.com:
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What is arguably the worst album the Rolling Stones did during the 1960s has suddenly been transformed into one of the best bootleg releases ever, its reputation salvaged and its songs transformed into superb, punky psychedelia, and it's all because of the use of the mono mix (virtually unheard by anyone outside of England) and a new transfer that runs circles around the late-'80s ABKCO stereo CD edition. Their Satanic Majesties Request has always been disliked by fans, who perceived it as the Rolling Stones trying to emulate the Beatles during the latter's psychedelic phase, and generally not sounding terribly good. The mono mix fixes all of that and then some -- indeed, all of a sudden, the album sounds great, and is great. The rhythm instruments are upfront and solid, and from the opening bars of "Sing This All Together" through the punchy break on "In Another Land" to the extended jam on "Sing This All Together (See What Happened)" (as it's printed here), this sounds like the Stones, pounding away hard and heavy, and scarcely like the Beatles at all. As expected, "2000 Man" is the highlight, with a crunchy guitar break that's right up close and personal, along with Jagger's vocals over it and Charlie Watts kicking the hell out of his kit while the organ twists little Arabesques around all of them; not far behind in terms of allure, amazingly enough, is "Sing This All Together (See What Happened)" -- the horns sound much more integrated into the texture of the track and a lot more dissonant, the Mellotron is more upfront in the mix, holding the piece together much better at the end, and the tom-toms and kettle drums are practically in your lap, while Keith Richards' guitar, doing strange psychedelic slides in the opening or playing a crunchy rhythm accompaniment to the horns, comes off as a true rock virtuoso performance. The rest of the album pretty much is elevated to a similar degree -- oddly enough, only "She's a Rainbow" isn't transformed radically -- and it's all more worth hearing than it's been in decades. The original LP has been augmented here by the presence of "Child of the Moon" in its original, thundering mono mix; "We Love You" and "Dandelion" in similar perfect monaural; and rough mixes of "In Another Land," "She's a Rainbow," "2000 Light Years From Home," and "The Lantern"; plus a rehearsal for the instrumental portion of the refrain on "2000 Man" (with lots of crunchy guitar), and two session outtakes featuring piano and acoustic guitar and organ and acoustic guitar, respectively.

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FYI, Avast gave me a trojan alert when I was going to D/L from Link 2. Link 1 didn't.

**edit- link 1 crapped out at 31%, saying "file could not be read." Maybe I'm just snake-bit this morning.**

And, just a personal observation- dude reviewing the mono version manages to use "crunchy" 3 times in a reasonably short space. I'd like to see public flogging make a comeback.


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FYI, Avast gave me a trojan alert when I was going to D/L from Link 2. Link 1 didn't.


I'll re-up when I get to work.

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invokes a time and place now gone.


Same could be said for that cover of "Their Satanic....".

Jesus. I mean, Mick rocking a wizard hat.

I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall of that brain storming session about the album cover.


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I used to love "Citadel", but I don't think I've heard it since the '70s. This could be a bumpy ride.


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Jesus, I'd totally forgotten about "Sing This All Together". That fugger used to get radio play back in the day, and I never even knew it was the Stones.


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New link up for the Mono Satanic.

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Rick Derris Wrote:
discostu Wrote:
Senator Lou Garra Wrote:
Mick Jagger Wrote:
OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop


After only one listen, Buttons to Buttons is pretty much hot trash save the aforementioned "Connection', "My Obsession" and "She Smiled Sweetly."


You're crazy. This isn't my favorite Stones record but it's far from "hot trash". I mean, "Ruby Tuesday" and "Let's Spend The Night Together" are on this for chrissakes. Also, "Miss Amanda Jones".

I think it's such an interesting pop artifact considering where they went the very next year. The psychedelic stylings of 1967 seems to be something they had to go through to get them to 1968, "Beggar's Banquet", and on to becoming the best band on Earth.

Hearing it for the first time it sounds so out of left field. It's pretty polarizing and I think for that reason, it's a certain kind of music fan's favorite Stones record.


Benj, you know what's fucked up? Those two songs weren't on the version of the album that is linked in the thread! I love "Ruby Tuesday" and while "Let's Spend the Night Together" has been overplayed to the point of eliciting indifference from me, it's a strong song. Glad you responded!


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I actually like parts of this album - 2000 Man, She's a Rainbow, 2000 Light Years from Home, and even the odd calliope/showtune vibe of On With the Show.

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New link up for the Mono Satanic.


Thanks for that, DJ.


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discostu Wrote:
Rick Derris Wrote:
discostu Wrote:
Senator Lou Garra Wrote:
Mick Jagger Wrote:
OH I HATE THAT FUCKIN RECORD!


The only redeeming thing about this record is that it has the first Keef-sung song "Connection"

Rads, please stop talking before you undo all your monger cred in one fell swoop


After only one listen, Buttons to Buttons is pretty much hot trash save the aforementioned "Connection', "My Obsession" and "She Smiled Sweetly."


You're crazy. This isn't my favorite Stones record but it's far from "hot trash". I mean, "Ruby Tuesday" and "Let's Spend The Night Together" are on this for chrissakes. Also, "Miss Amanda Jones".

I think it's such an interesting pop artifact considering where they went the very next year. The psychedelic stylings of 1967 seems to be something they had to go through to get them to 1968, "Beggar's Banquet", and on to becoming the best band on Earth.

Hearing it for the first time it sounds so out of left field. It's pretty polarizing and I think for that reason, it's a certain kind of music fan's favorite Stones record.


Benj, you know what's fucked up? Those two songs weren't on the version of the album that is linked in the thread! I love "Ruby Tuesday" and while "Let's Spend the Night Together" has been overplayed to the point of eliciting indifference from me, it's a strong song. Glad you responded!



Ahhhh. Well, for what it's worth, the UK version at the time didn't include the singles (both of those songs). The US version had both singles with the rest of the album. I believe some of the Beatles UK albums in the 60's had the same issue.


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I'll take the blame on that mix-up for Between the Buttons. I was trying to get only the US versions and not the UK.

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