billy g Wrote:
DHRjericho Wrote:
rogneeb Wrote:
Trout should be MVP. defense and base running matter and his hitting wasnt that much below Cabrera to account for the huge gaps in the other areas. Trout is Kobe. Cabrera is Allen Iverson.
Plus...the Angels had a better record in a tougher division.
Ding Ding Ding...This and the fact that Trout performed well down the stretch and wasn't the problem that caused the Angels to miss should eliminate any thought of making or missing the playoffs being a factor in the voting. It will be still be a factor of course because there are a lot of dummies that have votes, but it shouldn't be. I'm not endorsing that as a factor, but just saying...Also isn't it a little strange that a team with Cabrera, Fielder, Austin Jackson, and their pitching staff playing in the worst division in the American League had the worst record among playoff teams? It's kind of silly to begin with to suggest that if a team doesn't make the playoffs how valuable could a player be to take the argument to the extreme as some do. This isn't basketball. One player can't have that much impact on his own. And if you say sure to that but are overly literal about "value" claiming there isn't a lot of value in winning 10 or 11 games more if you still miss the playoffs, then wouldn't you also should take the literal sense of value to include bang for your buck and recognize that Cabrera costs $20+ million and Trout makes league minimum.
I'm not a slave to sabermetric statistics. I don't think that the defense components of WAR are accurate enough to make it a simple math exercise. I also suspect that WAR overly weights defense and speed. You have a chance to impact a game 5 times with your bat but how many times do you have a defensive chance where it's a play that a great player will make but an average one won't. That said, Trout was great across all facets of the game and Cabrera was just great offensive and below average in baserunning and defense, plus CF is just a more important position. Giving Cabrera the MVP based on the triple crown is valuing the rarity of someone achieving it over the actual value of their offensive contributions. Trout actually beat Cabrera on the offensive portion of WAR leaving aside defense and baserunning. It's pretty clear to me that Trout deserves it but I'm not going to be upset if Cabrera wins it. He had a great year.
They are both fantastic players, but this is baseball. Cabrera was runner-up for MVP in 2010, and was top five in 2009 and 2011. Even last year when Verlander won it. The BBWAA aren't going to give the MVP to a rookie. They'll vote Cabrera.
I'm surprised at how people dismiss the value of winning the triple crown. There's a reason nobody has done it since Yaz - it's HARD. For Cabrera to win it playing in the ballpark he does is even more amazing. Comerica Park is one of the hardest places to hit HRs.
It is strange that Detroit had such a poor record. They lost a LOT of games they should, on paper, have won, against much worse teams like the Royals and Twins and Seattle. But look at their record against other playoff caliber teams, and you can see that they were going to be OK - 3-3 vs. BAL, 4-3 vs. OAK, 12-6 vs. CHW, 4-6 vs. NYY