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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:26 pm 
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Andrea Dworkin died over the weekend. She was the Malcolm X of feminism--controversial, radical, and uncompromising. She gave everything she had or could beg, borrow, steal or command to do whatever she thought would reduce violence against women. She was attacked and threatened and misrepresented and she never quit, never bowed out because it was hard or frightening.

Agree or disagree (and most of you likely disagree, which is fine--I disagree with a lot of the pope's stuff but I respect his commitment and understand why his death is sad for many) with her rhetoric or her tactics, she made a tremendous difference in her fight against sexual and gendered violence (which most of you, I hope, do not disagree with). The end to martial rape exceptions, the rape crisis lines and battered women's shelters movements, every take back the night rally owes her an intellectual and emotional debt. Mainstream feminism was transformed to become much more inclusive of poor and marginalised women. I hope she rests in peace, finally.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:32 pm 
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trying to illegalize porno was not one of her finer moments....


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Men have defined the parameters of every subject. All feminist arguments, however radical in intent or consequence, are with or against assertions or premises implicit in the male system, which is made credible or authentic by the power of men to name.

-----Andrea Dworkin


I would agree with her here.

RIP


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Yeah, I thought she sometimes lost sight of the rational due to her fervor and often attributed behavior to all men that is only present in most, but her heart and sweat were in the right place. And she was extremely intelligent.


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Major loss. There have been too few articulate contrary voices in our homogenized culture.


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Rick Derris Wrote:
Men have defined the parameters of every subject. All feminist arguments, however radical in intent or consequence, are with or against assertions or premises implicit in the male system, which is made credible or authentic by the power of men to name.

-----Andrea Dworkin


I would agree with her here.

RIP


at first i thought you were saying something mean about her, then i saw it was a quote by her.

interesting.

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Though she and Anita Bryant never did mudwrestle.


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"People play life as if it's a game, whereas each step is a real step. The shock of being unable to control what happens, especially the tragedies, overwhelms one. Someone dies; someone leaves; someone lies. There is sickness, misery, loneliness, betrayal. One is alone not just at the end but all the time. One tries to camouflage pain and failure. One wants to believe that poverty can be cured by wealth, cruelty by kindness; but neither is true. The orphan is always an orphan.

The worst immorality is in apathy, a deadening of caring about others, not because they have some special claim but because they have no claim at all.

The worst immorality is in disinterest, indifference, so that the lone person in pain has no importance; one need not feel an urgency about rescuing the suffering person.

The worst immorality is in dressing up to go out in order not to have to think about those who are hungry, without shelter, without protection.

The worst immorality is in living a trivial life because one is afraid to face any other kind of life--a despairing life or an anguished life or a twisted and difficult life.

The worst immorality is in living a mediocre life, because kindness rises above mediocrity always, and not to be kind locks one into an ethos of boredom and stupidity.

The worst immorality is in imitating those who give nothing.

The worst immorality is in conforming so that one fits in, smart or fashionable, mock-heroic or the very best of the very same.

The worst immorality is in accepting the status quo because one is afraid of gossip against oneself.

The worst immorality is in selling out simply because one is afraid.

The worst immorality is a studied ignorance, a purposeful refusal to see or know.

The worst immorality is living without ambition or work or pushing the rest of us along.

The worst immorality is being timid when there is no threat.

The worst immorality is refusing to push oneself where one is afraid to go.

The worst immorality is not to love actively.

The worst immorality is to close down because heartbreak has worn one down.

The worst immorality is to live according to rituals, rites of passage that are predetermined and impersonal.

The worst immorality is to deny someone else dignity.

The worst immorality is to give in, give up.

The worst immorality is to follow a road map of hate drawn by white supremacists and male supremacists.

The worst immorality is to use another person's body in the passing of time.

The worst immorality is to inflict pain.

The worst immorality is to be careless with another person's heart and soul.

The worst immorality is to be stupid, because it's easy.

The worst immorality is to repudiate one's own uniqueness in order to fit in.

The worst immorality is to set one's goals so low that one must crawl to meet them.

The worst immorality is to hurt children.

The worst immorality is to use one's strength to dominate or control.

The worst immorality is to surrender the essence of oneself for love or money.

The worst immorality is to believe in nothing, do nothing, achieve nothing.

The worst immoralities are but one, a single sin of human nothingness and stupidity. "Do no harm" is the counterpoint to apathy, indifference and passive aggression; it is the fundamental moral imperative. "Do no harm" is the opposite of immoral. One must do something and at the same time do no harm. "Do no harm" remains the hardest ethic."

--Andrea Dworkin, "Heartbreak".


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:13 pm 
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Yeah I agree with all of those. Which is probably why my Ayn Rand-fixated college roomate from sophomore year hated me so much. Well, plus his girlfriend dumped him for me.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:52 pm 
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how can you have 20+ "worsts"....

you can have ONE worst.....everything else is a lesser degree of bad...


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scottycash99 Wrote:
how can you have 20+ "worsts"....

you can have ONE worst.....everything else is a lesser degree of bad...


"More worser"


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As I am a product of ignorance, I didn't even know who she was. Someone reccomend a biography or autobiography for me to read. Something informative and academic. Please.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:56 pm 
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Her autobiography is a very readable account of how she came to her politics and activism. It's called 'Heartbreak', and the quote above is from it. It's a buck on Amazon. The only biography I'm aware of is pretty old and way out of print.

Some of her writings are online at
http://nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/index.html


p.s. for scotty: the list is a rhetorical device; in the end she concludes that all of these are manifestations of the same thing ('The worst immoralities are but one, a single sin of human nothingness and stupidity')


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:59 pm 
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what philosophy do you suppose she espoused? I ask because I don't really know what the phrase "a single sin of human nothingness" means.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:15 pm 
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I don't know if she was a wholehearted adherant to one or another, to be honest. I haven't read her books closely (except the autobiography, which I read when it came out in 2002) for years.


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