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whoa...lighten up, francis. i'm a jethro tull fan. aqualung and thick as a brick were staples in my teenage days and i can still listen to and enjoy them every once in a while.

bungle through the jungle was pretty hideous.


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I can't believe I prompted a Jethro Tull discussion including a historical perspective of the actual man Jethro Tull. I need to call Charles and Phil and let them know after all these years, they were both right.

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I can't believe I prompted a Jethro Tull discussion including a historical perspective of the actual man Jethro Tull. I need to call Charles and Phil and let them know after all these years, they were both right.


Yes, and of all places you do it in the thread where I am supposed to be getting ridiculed.











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...the complexity of Anderson's lyrics....


"...snot is running down his nose...."


Yeah, that's my first point proven right there.

Aqualung reference used as some sort of definitive dismissal of a band that has like 300 songs.


"...the..." How many times did he use this crap, hackneyed, flutey word? A good portion of those 300 songs I'd say!


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I could go point to point on Jethro Tull for days straight, but I've been a fan for so long, it won't serve any purpose.

I can pretty much sum up the extent of the counterarguments right now:

They'll include references to how dumb "Bungle In The Jungle" is, will mention that flute has no place in rock & roll, and will scoff at D& D medieval imagery.

They will not include any actual awareness of the several hundred non-Bungle songs Tull have done except quoting something from "Aqualung," nor will they show any familiarity with the complexity of Anderson's lyrics and how much he tackles politics, satire and philosophy.

But there will be a bunch of "crazy, peg-legged prog faggot" quips.

So, there's no point going point by point. Only con arguments that hold up after actually familiarizing oneself with the Tull is "I don't like the fruity folky noodling shit."

Yeh sure, you can point to This Was and a couple of other instances in which Tull wasn't a joke, but c'mon - they brought this shit on themselves. Thick As A Brick, anyone? A Passion Play? Defend those abominations on any level, Spoon, and I'll at least give you credit for creativity in your polemics.


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I think Jethro Tull has an important place in rock and roll history.

Without Jethro Tull, the follow Stan Ridgway lyric would just lose something.

Contrast:

Three miles down the highway in a Chevy '69
Were a pair of crazy eyeballs jumping left and right in time
To an eight track tape playing Foghat and Jethro Tull
As a gasonline soaked hand shifted a little plastic skull.

to:

Three miles down the highway in a Chevy '69
Were a pair of crazy eyeballs jumping left and right in time
To an eight track tape playing Foghat and the soundtrack to Krull
As a gasoline soaked hand shifted a little plastic skull.

or:

Three miles down the highway in a Chevy '69
Were a pair of crazy eyeballs jumping left and right in time
To an eight track tape playing Foghat and Martin Mull
As a gasoline soaked hand shifted a little plastic skull.


Thank you, Ian Anderson, thank you.


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Ridgeway might have been able to stretch the rhyme to incorporate A Flock Of Seagulls.


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I'm really not interested in defending polemics to Radcliffe. Not really.

I'd rather put on Heavy Horses and be reminded what a great band Tull are.

There are at least 30 songs by Tull I count as great. Not just good, but great. Certainly don't think they're abominations.

Maybe tomorrow I'll post examples, but after 30 years plus of pointing them out when people crack jokes about how silly they are, I'm a bit tired of doing it.


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The first version I ever heard of it was from the big 6-disc box set, and was a studio-only take. I loooved it. Then, I heard the album version, and was let-down. The album version was much more "hippy" than the studio, with tambourines and hippy chicks wailing in the background, whereas the studio cut was clean, honest, simple, and heart-breakingly beautiful. Look for it.


Don't blame the beatles, blame that homicidal Phil Spector.

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ayah Wrote:
whoa...lighten up, francis. i'm a jethro tull fan. aqualung and thick as a brick were staples in my teenage days and i can still listen to and enjoy them every once in a while.

bungle through the jungle was pretty hideous.


I have a lot of relatives with the last name Francis.

One of them looks like this:

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But her dad looks like this:
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Though, before the liquor, he used to look like this:
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The first version I ever heard of it was from the big 6-disc box set, and was a studio-only take. I loooved it. Then, I heard the album version, and was let-down. The album version was much more "hippy" than the studio, with tambourines and hippy chicks wailing in the background, whereas the studio cut was clean, honest, simple, and heart-breakingly beautiful. Look for it.


Don't blame the beatles, blame that homicidal Phil Spector.


blame John then, they were homies. he brought phil in.

and, Spector is like Dr. Dre or Yail Bloor. You dis them you dis yourself

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He wanted to bring phil in. The beatles had recorded sessions for Let it Be as a throwback album, put them on the shelf for whatever reasons, put together abbey road and then pretty much broke up. Then the label sent the shelved sessions to Spector to cobble into an album, because of John's fascination.

Still, the wailing women on that track is a little much. And let's not even bring up The Long and Winding Road...

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