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You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4. Also, replace Marshall Faulk with Roger Craig, and now we are talking football. AND, Ronchie Snott whould be in the top 5, as he was the LT of the defensive backfield, AND cut his finger off to stay in a game.

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Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4.


I've seen every game Urlacher has played in his career, and he is simply dominant. He makes everyone around him better, and he will go down as one of the top three MLBs to ever play the game.


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Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4.


I've seen every game Urlacher has played in his career, and he is simply dominant. He makes everyone around him better, and he will go down as one of the top three MLBs to ever play the game.


I've always thought he was overrated. Maybe because i'm a Packer fan.

Plus he didn't make that defense that much better up until last year. The Bears have been pretty bad since he's been there (minus last year).

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DHRjericho Wrote:
thisotherkingdom Wrote:
Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4.


I've seen every game Urlacher has played in his career, and he is simply dominant. He makes everyone around him better, and he will go down as one of the top three MLBs to ever play the game.


I've always thought he was overrated. Maybe because i'm a Packer fan.

Plus he didn't make that defense that much better up until last year. The Bears have been pretty bad since he's been there (minus last year).


Well, before last year there was some ESPN article or something naming him the most overrated player in the NFL. Then he comes back and wins DPOY. Next is his 2007 Super Bowl ring. :wink:


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I think Ronnie Lott wasn't the LT of the defensive backfield, but it's more like LT was the Ronnie Lott of the front seven. Lott was the greatest defensive player in NFL history, which means the two greatest players in the history of the game not only come from the same franchise, but the same TEAM. Of course, I am speaking of JoMo, and it takes a lot for a Cowboy fan to bow in deference to the 49ers.

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Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4.


Yeah I'm sorry the guy is great but over Lott & Sanders? And I HATE Sanders but the games greatest coverage corner is better than a guy who's his generations best MLB. I think Urlacher might be the Bears 4th greatest game changer, not the games.

And ask Ickey Woods (if his head isn't still ringing) or Jim Everett what kind of game changer Lott is. Both of thier careers fell apart after Ronnie hit em with a big plays. Everett after that pass to Willie Anderson, a sure TD, was tipped & Woods after Lott rung his bell in the Superbowl.

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thisotherkingdom Wrote:
DHRjericho Wrote:
thisotherkingdom Wrote:
Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4.


I've seen every game Urlacher has played in his career, and he is simply dominant. He makes everyone around him better, and he will go down as one of the top three MLBs to ever play the game.


I've always thought he was overrated. Maybe because i'm a Packer fan.

Plus he didn't make that defense that much better up until last year. The Bears have been pretty bad since he's been there (minus last year).


Well, before last year there was some ESPN article or something naming him the most overrated player in the NFL. Then he comes back and wins DPOY. Next is his 2007 Super Bowl ring. :wink:


Hah. Super Bowl XLI will be Jacksonville vs. Washington. Mark it.


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I think Ronnie Lott wasn't the LT of the defensive backfield, but it's more like LT was the Ronnie Lott of the front seven. Lott was the greatest defensive player in NFL history, which means the two greatest players in the history of the game not only come from the same franchise, but the same TEAM. Of course, I am speaking of JoMo, and it takes a lot for a Cowboy fan to bow in deference to the 49ers.


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Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
You had me til you got to URLACHER at #4.


Yeah I'm sorry the guy is great but over Lott & Sanders? And I HATE Sanders but the games greatest coverage corner is better than a guy who's his generations best MLB. I think Urlacher might be the Bears 4th greatest game changer, not the games.

And ask Ickey Woods (if his head isn't still ringing) or Jim Everett what kind of game changer Lott is. Both of thier careers fell apart after Ronnie hit em with a big plays. Everett after that pass to Willie Anderson, a sure TD, was tipped & Woods after Lott rung his bell in the Superbowl.


This is the type of football chatter I love. and Damen, I remember that Everett to Flipper pass and that hit. OUCH!

also, FT, best ever is Elway :D

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I'm glad to see Marino in the Top 10. This is a nice clip that I'll never forget.

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Sen. LooGAR (D - Hip D) Wrote:
FT, best ever is Elway :D


Maybe if Mr. Ed didn't shit the bed in all those Super Bowls before finally winning a big game that wasn't played in Cleveland, I'd consider your argument.

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I believe Mike Brown has changed more games for the Bears than Urlacher, I swear he had like three game winning interceptions last season or two seasons ago.
I also don't see how you can exclude Elway or Montana and include Marino, I loved Elway and hated Montana, and both of those guys could take charge of a game by leading an improbable comeback drive.
I also wonder if someone like Vinatieri or any of the classic Kickers and Punters should be listed, to me that would be an underrated position on this list.

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