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if I think it will suck, i don't buy it.

quite simple really.


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I only refuse to buy albums at retail price. I try to avoid albums with digital protection, like the initial release of "Z" by My Morning Jacket. Other than that, I buy what I want and like. I'm a huge used cd fan, I'd much rather take a risk and buy three to four used cd's for the price of one retail than buy an album at full price.

I really don't understand the death thing, since a person in my age group was never alive to hear Robert Johnson, Coltrane, Hendrix, Hank Williams, etc. I almost think it is sacrilege to avoid music like this or exclusively downloading it for free.

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the only music i refuse to buy is by people that i don't personally like. for instance, i will never buy anything by robert pollard because i think he's a dick. (and i also think his music's awful.) the same goes for don caballero because of damon che, but i actually do kinda like don cab's music, so that's unfortunate.

Why would you care what kind of person the person making the music you listen to is? Most of these people are egomaniacs to some degree - you may just not know it or see it because they keep it well hidden. Listen to Don Caballero because you like the music, not because you think Damon Che is a swell dude. They're not your friends - they're providing you a product, and if you like said product, then all is good. If they happen to be good people on top of that, awesome, but if not, so what? What difference in the world should that make to you? You're only cheating yourself.

i don't like the idea of supporting them. ignorance is bliss with most people, but those guys bug me more than most. i've had direct contact with them and can't stand either as individuals. i'm not really cheating myself out of anything.


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Sketch Wrote:
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if I think it will suck, i don't buy it.

quite simple really.

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the only music i refuse to buy is by people that i don't personally like. for instance, i will never buy anything by robert pollard because i think he's a dick. (and i also think his music's awful.) the same goes for don caballero because of damon che, but i actually do kinda like don cab's music, so that's unfortunate.

Why would you care what kind of person the person making the music you listen to is? Most of these people are egomaniacs to some degree - you may just not know it or see it because they keep it well hidden. Listen to Don Caballero because you like the music, not because you think Damon Che is a swell dude. They're not your friends - they're providing you a product, and if you like said product, then all is good. If they happen to be good people on top of that, awesome, but if not, so what? What difference in the world should that make to you? You're only cheating yourself.


I agree with this for the most part although I refuse to even listen to the new Don Cab. That has more to with the fact that to me, it isn't really Don Cab without Ian Williams.

Also, on the not buying dead artists thing, that doesn't seem very well thought out. If no one ever buys anything by dead artists, then record labels have no reason to keep them in print or even to have transfered them to a digital format to begin with. If everyone stopped buying Nick Drake albums after he died, then the only way you'd ever be able to hear him now is if you were albe to track down an old vinyl copy of one of his albums. You wouldn't even have the option of downloading a digital, nicely remastered track because the record label that owns the work would never have had the incentive to make one. There's the slim possibilty that such music could be kept available and up-to-date in format purely by enthusiasts, but those of us who follow obscure bands with frequently OOP discographies know how problematic that is.

In addition, I always kind of consider my dollar to be a vote of sorts. I buy things that I like, hopefully from businesses that I don't mind supporting on level, as a way of trying to keep such things available. Again, if no one buys them, they become harder to find.


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i don't like the idea of supporting them. ignorance is bliss with most people, but those guys bug me more than most.


I wouldn't own any albums by The Fall if I held this stance. I don't actively buy stuff by people I think are genuinely despicable like Ted Nugent, but people who only rise only to "difficult assholery," their personal life is their problem, not mine.


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I agree with this for the most part although I refuse to even listen to the new Don Cab. That has more to with the fact that to me, it isn't really Don Cab without Ian Williams.

I can understand missing what you think is a vital part of the band, but really, it's an excellent album. I try to not let individual members matter so much that I absolutely have to stop listening to a band when someone leaves - bands are just too volatile for me to do that. I try to judge the music on the music, and this is pretty damned good stuff. It's a bit different than their early stuff, but not a whole lot different than What Burns Never Returns (I have yet to hear American Don yet, but it sounds like an album that follows an album before their previous one, so . . . )

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I agree with this for the most part although I refuse to even listen to the new Don Cab. That has more to with the fact that to me, it isn't really Don Cab without Ian Williams.

I can understand missing what you think is a vital part of the band, but really, it's an excellent album. I try to not let individual members matter so much that I absolutely have to stop listening to a band when someone leaves - bands are just too volatile for me to do that. I try to judge the music on the music, and this is pretty damned good stuff. It's a bit different than their early stuff, but not a whole lot different than What Burns Never Returns (I have yet to hear American Don yet, but it sounds like an album that follows an album before their previous one, so . . . )


But see, I oppose the whole idea of "reforming" Don Cab as just being Damon Che and a bunch of new guys. It's only one of the original members. I think the only steady members that were part of it from the beginning were Williams and Che, but for Che to use the Don Caballero name with just himself and an entirely different bad just seems very wrong to me. I'm also probably one of the few people who enjoys the guitar in Don Cab as much as the drumming. To me, it was just as vital in making their music unique and interesting.

I'm somewhat curious about how the new band sounds, but I wouldn't buy the album under any circumstances. Why would Che even use the Don Caballero name for it? The only reason I can think of is that he's hoping to capitolize on the old fanbase and therefore sell more albums and tickets than he did with Bellini or any other band. That just sucks.


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metallica (their whole stand against downloading plus suing their fans insured that i'll never buy anything from them)

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I only refuse to buy albums at retail price. I try to avoid albums with digital protection, like the initial release of "Z" by My Morning Jacket. Other than that, I buy what I want and like. I'm a huge used cd fan, I'd much rather take a risk and buy three to four used cd's for the price of one retail than buy an album at full price.


Did they rerelease "Z" without copy protection?

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Dalen Wrote:
if I think it will suck, i don't buy it.

quite simple really.


This is spot on. With that said, most contemporary country and Christian music fall into this category.


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Why would Che even use the Don Caballero name for it? The only reason I can think of is that he's hoping to capitolize on the old fanbase and therefore sell more albums and tickets than he did with Bellini or any other band. That just sucks.

I think he's stuck in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation here. It's undeniably Don Cab material. Were he to do it under another name, people would go, "This dude's stuck, got no new ideas," when he was really trying to save himself from facing the other problem, which is fans who are upset over it not being the original lineup of DC. Which, obviously, he is facing right now. It's a cool album, I like it a lot regardless of who is in the band - the chemistry is similar, even if it's different people putting it together. There's a slightly different vibe, but it's without a doubt a Don Cab vibe.

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If I like it, I'll buy it from the band in person at a show.

If they don't tour...well, I probably won't buy it.

I mean, not really, but it's as good a moral argument as any of the above. :)


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Well, fine. I guess I'll download it.

(edit: the new Don Cab, I mean)


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What's this "Buying Music"? I don't think I've heard of them before. Are they new? Are they on Limewire?


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So, if you don't like them personally, you'll skip them in the bins? I think, from what I have read, that Jeff Tweedy must be a self centered dick, but I wouldn't deny myself his music, even though I must say I get a better vibe from Jay.

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I refused to buy any plain, domestic, single CD for above $13

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I fucking HATE it when some dick of a store charges near full price for a used in-print cd or record.

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I only refuse to buy albums at retail price. I try to avoid albums with digital protection, like the initial release of "Z" by My Morning Jacket. Other than that, I buy what I want and like. I'm a huge used cd fan, I'd much rather take a risk and buy three to four used cd's for the price of one retail than buy an album at full price.


Did they rerelease "Z" without copy protection?


They were suppose to pull all the copy protected albums and you were able to send your copy protected album back into the label and get a non-protected copy courtesy of the band.

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I don't understand moral stances regarding music purchases.


Yeah, I can't comprehend the idea. If you don't like someone (personally), then maybe, but otherwise, why worry about it? There are people on webboards who I think are total assholes and I still buy their music if I think I'll like it.

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i try not to buy any cd new from a major label. exceptions = radiohead, wilco, ryan adams.

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I fucking HATE it when some dick of a store charges near full price for a used in-print cd or record.


There's a simple answer: don't buy it.

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