Everyone around here was drooling over the new records from our friends Paper Airplane Pilots and, even more recently, The Bon Savants. But I have yet to see either album listed in anyone's year-end list.

So, what gives?

i didnt like PAP...

the bon savants would be in my top 50 if i had a top 50

Damn Todd, this may just be your worst post ever and its not for a lack of competition. Are you trying to guilt people into listing obner bands on their list just because they are obner bands? Or do you really want to put people in the position of saying they don't like obner bands that much?

I haven't heard either the new PAP or the Bon Savants yet. I don't expect that either would make my list but I did like mp3s of the Bon Savants which Kev posted several years ago. Have ten people even posted their lists yet? I expect that Bon Savants will make a few lists including Saved's (he's still Saved to me regardless of what he's calling himself these days). Still, this is pretty lame of you to call people out.

Damn Billy, this may be your most offensive.

Not trying to guilt anybody into anything. Just noticing a trend.
Quite honestly, I have not heard the Bon Savants and, while I like the Pilots' record, it did not make my top 10 either.

"Calling out" may be a little harsh. I just thought maybe there was some forgetfulness, especially since the Pilots came out so early in the year and we all tend to have short memories. (I believe psychologists call it the "Recency Effect".

So please keep your bile to yourself. Shut the fuck up. And have a Merry Christmas.

Seriously Todd, I don't believe that you're that dumb not to see the position you put people in by posting this.

They don't have to respond.
And a list is a list.
Many others (including me) have posted their lists with neither album on it.

I do not believe it's a slap in the face.

No, I do not think things all the way through sometimes before I post.
Yes, it makes me a "lousy boarder".
It also makes me a lousy producer.

But I try to be a good friend.
And a good father and husband.
And really, that's all I care about.

So, if you take offense, I apologize. If this makes you uncomfortable, I apologize. But at this point, with responses to the thread, I cannot delete it.
So we all have to live with it now.

I think I'm a part of a silent majority that intentionally does not listen to Obner bands to avoid the slippery slope of having to listen to too many bands that I really don't have the time for when there are so many "real" releases ever year.

I think there is alot of hype around those two bands because they have a core of support plus alot of friends on the board but in actually I don't think that Obner really listened to either records. Hence why they're not on many year end lists.

i never had the $ to buy. i was hoping they'd come to emusic.

billy, I think all of us obners in bands can take it if people criticize us at this point. If we can't, we shouldn't be putting music out there.

Todd, I think some of the people who really liked WAM have not made year-end lists yet.

if i had an album out this year, and pop todd had mentioned it in this thread i would have been flattered not offended.

wow, since i'd like to be in a real band with a real release some day, i'll make sure that i never ever talk about what i'm doing, ever, that way you can find out about it through dalen or timis or pitchfork, or however it is that obners find out about "real" releases.

yikes.

so because a musician happens to be someone you know, you can't listen their music because you know them?

That's not what I meant but if you want to take it that way, fine. There's a reason why I put quotations marks but whatever. I'm not saying that your band sucks, but I'm saying I can't check out every Obner band because 95% of Obner has a band of some sort. Sorry but that doesn't preclude me from paying attention to how your band is doing, Phil. And if you paid attention more the only band I've ever checked out on Obner was a band you're in.

It's a battle of first-tier boarders, each with several common loyalties... Who wins?

As of now, I am scoring this for Ol' Bulee, since he got in the classic non-apology apology, "I'm sorry that you were offended by what I said".

I had a feeling that wasn't what you meant, but i'm wondering if people here actively ignore bands because members post here. If that's the case, i'd rather make my music, not tell people here about it, and have them "discover" it on their own (however that may happen). I want to make music people dig, but i don't want to guilt them into liking it, or have them ignore it because they know me on some level.

And how much work is it to ask obner for a link to a favorite tune so you don't have to listen to the album? cause i'm sure that dalen or todd or matt or timmyjoe or I would give you a PAP tune to check out. That album is really good.

I'd rather have honest opinions from people here than some meaningless review in pitchfuck, because i like alot of the albums that people here have turned me on to. Unfortunately, most of you like 25 horrendous albums for every one that I do like. But that one... itsa always a good one.

With The Changes (no obners in that band), or the Pilots, or the Bon Savants... you've got bands in major metropolitan scenes who are making a mark and making it for a reason. It's not easy to get spots at Schubas, let alone a weekend spot. The talent that goes through there is sick, and they can hold their own.

Anyhow, now i'm rambling, but i really wonder if talking about your musical endeavors here does you more harm than good as far as the general populace goes.

i don't listen to obner bands... obner backlash motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!

"real" releases lol

i tihnk 90% of the people who have purchaces my songs off of Emusic are from this board.

i'd like to just share that i have received albums from board friends (maybe some from here) for the purpose of review. even when my review isn't a rave, or far from it, boarders are still thankful that I've actaully taken the time to listen to the album and write 200 words about it. that more than anything seems to please people. then when it's posted at Now Wave or HipD at least "the word is out there". My fair-handed writing style usually lays out the good and the bad on an album. Sometimes bands extract that one good line and use it in their next promo sheet, and I'm fine with that. It's no top 10 list but it's some kind of usable feedback.

anyway, board band adoration is really more of a balance beam than a slippery slope. too little will make you question the value of your work, and too much will lead to the inevitable "this board is just one big circle jerk" backlash.

anyway x 2, my computer is just about shot, otherwise i'd be listening to any mp3 put in front of me. if any of youse want to send me a cd for review and publication in one of the zines i write for pm me.

hope this helped, in some small way

bort
np: chumbawamba

Every Obner band I've heard has a certain degree of merit, some more than others, but the only one who's ever been worthy of bangin' with the big boys and making one of my year-end top 20 lists during the time we've been doing them here at Obner and back at CMJ is Belleville.

I had this track pop up on random while driving to work this morning, and it reminded me just how great they really are:

"Sick Day"

I suppose this is the thread where I should own up to being F.M. Cornog.

I should clairfy. If you asked me to listen to a song for feedback, I'll do it. That's how I ended up listening to Chaulk Outlines in the first place. But if Timmyjoe comes on here touting PAP as the greatest band ever, I'll probably ignore it. Not because I don't like PAP or robotboy, but because well I'm not sure how unbiased their opinion is. And I'm not going out my way to ignore but I defintely don't want to turn this into, "hey check out my band so we can circle jerk to each other's band on the internet."

And I use "real" here all the time. As in OPA is my obner friend and my "real" friends are the people I hang out with in flesh. It's not serious and I do consider OPA my friend, just like I consider PAP's last album to be a proper release.

Arctic Monkey's anyone? Are they even a band anymore?

Don't hold your breath.

I'm surprised by how not-horrible that bon savants album is. I always think that the singer's voice is a mockery to all that is holy, but whenever i listen to one of their songs I ALWAYS look at the ipod to see who's playing, because i kinda like it.

I just haven't heard either but I'm always wary when someone says "I'm in a band". Generally, I do like it. But I almost feel like I'm forcing myself to like it more than I actually do.

I've never had any friends who were in a band that I genuinely loved and would have loved and worshipped had I never know them.