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Just got home.

It was great. Totally made up for the last two.

Place popped when the opening sequence was going on. Like Hogan at Wrestlemania 19.

The last hour is where things really start to take shape and seques beautifully into what would become 'Episode 4' - 20 years later.

Got all the free popcorn and soda I wanted.

Left there with a heavy stock 2 sided poster, which kicks ass.

and this part was in the commercial, but hearing 'Vader Rise!" on the big screen gave me my first non-female inspired obner since my awkward 11-14 year old growth spurt, when it was uncontrollable.

Already looking forward to seeingit again in the next week or so....

Opening weekend prediction. 107 million.

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Nothing could make up for the first two, but I'm glad this one is better.


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I'm seeing it tonight at 12:01 AM, motherfucker!

I cant wait.


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Thanks for that, Dov! Really pumped about this.


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HaqDiesel Wrote:
Nothing could make up for the first two, but I'm glad this one is better.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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yeah, i've got my 12:01 tickets ready (and tommorow off of works)


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Busty Rhodes Wrote:
HaqDiesel Wrote:
Nothing could make up for the first two, but I'm glad this one is better.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You see, Busty, the force is a result of Mitichlorians - glowing microorganisms - in your blood. Boba Fett? He has a compelling backstory regarding the death of his father to explain why he so passionately pursues the career of MERCENARY. Oh, and now that CGI is available, we don't need primitive stop-motion monstors like the Rancor in ROTJ - we now have the technology to create furry alligators!

To have enjoyed the first two, you had to either a) ignore that they were ass because of your childhood associations with the characters, or b) have no ability to discern what a good movie is like.


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HaqDiesel Wrote:
Busty Rhodes Wrote:
HaqDiesel Wrote:
Nothing could make up for the first two, but I'm glad this one is better.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You see, Busty, the force is a result of Mitichlorians - glowing microorganisms - in your blood. Boba Fett? He has a compelling backstory regarding the death of his father to explain why he so passionately pursues the career of MERCENARY. Oh, and now that CGI is available, we don't need primitive stop-motion monstors like the Rancor in ROTJ - we now have the technology to create pink tigers!

To have enjoyed the first two, you had to either a) ignore that they were ass because of your childhood associations with the characters, or b) have no ability to discern what a good movie is like.


So he should've up and used stop motion again? I know, I know, "no, he should've used CGI to make something good." But you can't re-make the same damn movies 3 more times. That was the way Lucas made them back then, and this is how he makes them now.

One could argue that it's YOUR childhood associations that create a standard no one could possibly live up to. They were so good and so real when we were young that the guy has 0 chance of re-creating that impact now that we're knocking on 30. So what's some folks' reaction to not being floored again? Scorn. I wish for a few things to have been different, but they're his stories, let him tell them. They're still better than most of what comes out these days.

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Haq is right about Episodes 1 & 2. They're clunky, wooden and have a lot of dumb, dumb scenes punched up by ground-breaking-shaking CG1 and good battles.

I like them because they're Star Wars, not because they're good.

And the Yoda saber fight still kicks ass.


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I still think this one will suck ass. And I'm right


I'm with Haq. I'm actually not gonna see this one. When the announcement that this was happening first came out I was pretty damn excited but I realize now that they pretty much set avout ruining everything good about the first 3.

Didn't The Empire seem much more entrenched than just a twenty-year reign of terror?

I could go on, but there's no point.

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And the Yodi saber fight still kicks ass.


This is when I realized that this whole shebang was a horrible idea. Worst scene in the whole damn series.

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don't judge ep. 3 till you see it

im still partial to 4-6 myself, cause thats what i grew with and its what i knew for the first 27 years of my life, so of course ep. 1-3 seem different and not the same....

but judging them in their own universe... i think 3 is tremendously better story wise then 1 and 2.

don't avoid it cause of what you remebmber in the past, and don't avoid it cause of the last 2.

see it and form an opinion.

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I watched Episodes 1 & 2 again last night (I got through E1 in an hour by skipping all Jar-Jar scenes and other scenes I couldn't tolerate watching again).

Here's the thing, the first two could not possibly live up to the originals in my mind but they could have at least made sense in relation to the original three. Unless Episode 3 some how convincingly explains how:

-C3PO does not remember Obi-won, Uncle Owen or Aniken ("the maker")
-The technology is far superior in episodes 1 and 2 than in 4, 5 or 6
-Luke and Leah are born and enough time passes before Padme dies that Leah remembers her mother as being "beautiful and sad"
-Uncle Owen purchases C3PO in episode 4 without remembering his brother-in-law is the one who made him
-Yoda, at the age of 900 or so is incredibly old and dying in episode 6 despite being quite agile and active in episode 2 (approximately 30 years earlier)
-Prominant races like the Gungans and Dugs are no longer present
-The clone army becomes the storm troopers we see in episodes 4,5 and 6.

There are countless other inconsistencies that desperately need explaining. I'm hoping this new one fills in some of the bigger holes and is better than the last two. My expectations are low, may I be pleasantly surprised.

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Senator Dis Soff LooGAR Wrote:
Use The Spoon, Luke Wrote:
And the Yodi saber fight still kicks ass.


This is when I realized that this whole shebang was a horrible idea. Worst scene in the whole damn series.


I agree completely. How people thing this scene "kicks ass" has never made sense at all to me. This almost completely ruined Yoda for me.


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Andyfest, you are now officially, my homeboy. I think the stormtroopers thing is kinda explainable, but al the other stuff is exactly what is dead-ass wrong about all this.

Let's not forget installing Sam Jackson as "Space Pimp Jedi"

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Andy,

some of your points are addressed.
some, i guess they dropped the ball on.

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Andy,

some of your points are addressed.
some, i guess they dropped the ball on.


That's about what I expect. I'm going tonight so hopefully I'll come away feeling like they at least did the movie leading up to the original three pretty well.

I hear they are working on a TV series to fill in the gap between episodes 3 and 4. Is this correct?


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Yoda was the most skilled Jedi alive, but the most sparing with his abilities. So why does that scene suck? Because he's a puppet? It's cleverly executed, the muppet seems like a real creature and the scene is consistent with Yoda's abilities and personality.

As for why he's old and decrepit just a few years later - the Jedis are decimated, the Dark Side takes over and Yoda goes into hiding on a swamp world in the backass of nowhere. That'd age even a green puppet, not that it's not a continuity screw-up because it is.


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Yoda was the most skilled Jedi alive, but the most sparing with his abilities. So why does that scene suck? Because he's a puppet? It's cleverly executed, the muppet seems like a real creature and the scene is consistent with Yoda's abilities and personality.

As for why he's old and decrepit just a few years later - the Jedis are decimated, the Dark Side takes over and Yoda goes into hiding on a swamp world in the backass of nowhere. That'd age even a green puppet, not that it's not a continuity screw-up because it is.


Actually, he looks like a cartoon character, and his "C'mon" gesture could've been lifted from a wrestling promo. It is pretty well out of character, and if Yoda was such a badass, maybe he could've rallied the troops a little better and not ended up on that backwater world.

I guess it's like almost everything these days: the idea was good, but the execuation is so lacking it even makes the idea seem bad.

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Ok, the c'mon gesture was a bit much.

There's far too many Pixar moments in Episodes 1 & 2


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Use The Spoon, Luke Wrote:
Ok, the c'mon gesture was a bit much.

There's far too many Pixar moments in Episodes 1 & 2


To me, the CGI makes these almost unwatchable. I think Cap'n may have a point about childhood memories or whatever, but I have hated CGI and its various counterparts since I walked out of Terminator 2 going "That movie blew ass" while everyone around me thought it was the greatest thing they had ever seen.

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Senator Dis Soff LooGAR Wrote:
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Let's not forget installing Sam Jackson as "Space Pimp Jedi"

"NO, WE WILL NOOT TRAIN HEIM!"


"OH, SO YOU WANNA BE A MUTHAFUCKIN JEDI, HUH?

i'm gonna just keep my mouth shut and hope for the best. i'm actually too indie for the whole franchise now anyways, so why should i really care? :D

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Senator Dis Soff LooGAR Wrote:
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Let's not forget installing Sam Jackson as "Space Pimp Jedi"

"NO, WE WILL NOOT TRAIN HEIM!"


"OH, SO YOU WANNA BE A MUTHAFUCKIN JEDI, HUH?

i'm gonna just keep my mouth shut and hope for the best. i'm actually too indie for the whole franchise now anyways, so why should i really care? :D


Chances of Yail seeing this, or any non-Wes Anderson movie in the theatre: 0.00%

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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