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The Supreme Court ruled today that medicinal marijuana is illegal in the US, despite some state laws on the books that authorize its use (such as in CA).

The Supremes cited "potential for abuse" by doctors who may overprescribe pot for financial gain.

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.... here and I thought Dianna Ross had finally gotten tough in the war on drugs...

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that's a pretty lame excuse
there are 100's of more powerfull and far more addictive drugs that Dr's pescribe.

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yeah, but do they fund terrorism?

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jewels santana Wrote:
that's a pretty lame excuse
there are 100's of more powerfull and far more addictive drugs that Dr's pescribe.

And nicotine is more addictive than any of those.

FACT: The #1 driving force in the original (successful) movement to criminalize marijuana was... the Tobacco Lobby. (Check the end of the film Reefer Madness to see who financed the thing.)

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Speaking of, get this shit:

A friend of friends is about to be sentenced to some federal jail time for buying sassafrass oil.

About a year ago, this guy found a recipe for Ecstacy online somewhere, and just thought it would be funny to try and make it for his own personal use. I think he smokes pot sometimes, but is otherwise very straight-laced. He's just curious. One of the main ingredients is, it turns out, Sassafrass oil. So he ordered like a gallon of it from some company in France.

Interpol (unfortunately not the band) was alerted that someone wanted a lot of the main ingredient, so they alerted the FBI. Within 15 minutes of it showing up at his house, the FBI came in with a search warrant, handcuffed him to a chair, questioned him, and seized / searched everything. He didn't think he'd done anything wrong, so he told them, stupidly, that he was indeed pondering making X, for his own personal use, but hadn't decided 100% to do it yet.

He was convicted of conspiracy or intent to distribute or something (apologies law students Jewels Sant and Old K), and they go by amounts, with every 10 ounces being a new crime, so he's in REAL bad trouble. We all just found out this past week. He's already shaven his head, and is in Dane Co. prison as we speak for the next 2 months awaiting sentencing. Minimum is 6 months, max is like 8 or 10 years.

For sassafrass oil.

I am, by the way, completely serious - this isn't one of those crazy stoner stories about doing 40 years for wearing a pot leaf t-shirt. Dude's in county jail NOW. F'in nuts.

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my ex-roomate who lives in SF scores medical marijuana and even smokes it in the back of the medical shops all the time with the manager...haha.

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The effect of the ruling from the Supreme Court is that any USER of marijuana can be prosecuted now, whether or not they have a doctor's 'scrip. Protect the doctors, right, but prosecute the guys with brain tumors.

Really, the Court's hands were pretty much tied because there is already a federal law (Controlled Substances Act?) that outlaws pot. And state laws can't directly contradict federal law. The Court did note that Congress could change the federal law. Not likely though, with this Congress and this President.


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anyoe else get the feelin' that maybe the right wing ain't gonna complain about this particular case of judicial activism?


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Old Kentucky Wrote:
The Supremes cited "potential for abuse" by doctors who may overprescribe pot for financial gain.


I'm sorry but this is retarded. By that logic we should outlaw all brand name drugs that doctors prescribe to get free stuff from the drug industry.

Financial gain, are they serious? If financial gain was against the law in this country, everybody would be behind bars. Bullshit.

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this reminds me, my grndmother took oxycoton but she complained it was too strong for her, so my mom flushed it all down the toilet.

i yelled at my mom, "DO YOU KNOW THE STREET VALUE OF THAT?!?!?!?!"

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O'Connor, Rehnquist and Thomas were the dissenting Justices.

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Aren't the above justices usually the 'good guys'? Sadly, I hardly follow Supreme Court cases ... unless there's a feeding tube involved.


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I think they should just legalize it regardless. I've never even smoked pot before but they could tax the hell out of it and use the extra money for fighting Big Tabacco or something.

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at least Thomas sticks to his states' rights guns whereas Scalia keeps picking and choosing

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supreme court said it's illegal, but maybe the states can determine the punishment. in states where it used to be legal, make it a misdemeanor & impose a $1 fine. :)

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supreme court said it's illegal, but maybe the states can determine the punishment. in states where it used to be legal, make it a misdemeanor & impose a $1 fine. :)


The issue here is federal prosecution, not state prosecution. SCOTUS held that the state statutes were not consistent with the federally imposed Controlled Substances Act, and federal authorities are within their jurisdiction to arrest and charge these people in violation of CSA despite state laws allowing the behavior.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
The issue here is federal prosecution, not state prosecution.


Elvis Fu is right, there really isn't much different today than yesterday. Users can be prosecuted today under federal law just as they were yesterday. The difference is that today the Supreme Court gave its nod of approval.

This really is what "should" have happened, because this decision sides with precedent (ie, fed law trumping state law). But we all know that the Supreme Court can do anything it damn well pleases (ie, declaring fed law "unconstitutional").

Some of us were just hoping that "judicial activism" would take a pleasent turn this time.


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Medical marijuana already exists. It's called Marinol.


A pharmaceutical product, Marinol, is widely available through prescription. It comes in the form of a pill and is also being studied by researchers for suitability via other delivery methods, such as an inhaler or patch. The active ingredient of Marinol is synthetic THC, which has been found to relieve the nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy for cancer patients and to assist with loss of appetite with AIDS patients.


Unlike smoked marijuana--which contains more than 400 different chemicals, including most of the hazardous chemicals found in tobacco smoke-Marinol has been studied and approved by the medical community and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the nation's watchdog over unsafe and harmful food and drug products. Since the passage of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act, any drug that is marketed in the United States must undergo rigorous scientific testing. The approval process mandated by this act ensures that claims of safety and therapeutic value are supported by clinical evidence and keeps unsafe, ineffective and dangerous drugs off the market.


There are no FDA-approved medications that are smoked. For one thing, smoking is generally a poor way to deliver medicine. It is difficult to administer safe, regulated dosages of medicines in smoked form. Secondly, the harmful chemicals and carcinogens that are byproducts of smoking create entirely new health problems. There are four times the level of tar in a marijuana cigarette, for example, than in a tobacco cigarette


Morphine, for example, has proven to be a medically valuable drug, but the FDA does not endorse the smoking of opium or heroin. Instead, scientists have extracted active ingredients from opium, which are sold as pharmaceutical products like morphine, codeine, hydrocodone or oxycodone. In a similar vein, the FDA has not approved smoking marijuana for medicinal purposes, but has approved the active ingredient-THC-in the form of scientifically regulated Marinol.


The DEA helped facilitate the research on Marinol. The National Cancer Institute approached the DEA in the early 1980s regarding their study of THC's in relieving nausea and vomiting. As a result, the DEA facilitated the registration and provided regulatory support and guidance for the study.


The DEA recognizes the importance of listening to science. That's why the DEA has registered seven research initiatives to continue researching the effects of smoked marijuana as medicine. For example, under one program established by the State of California, researchers are studying the potential use of marijuana and its ingredients on conditions such as multiple sclerosis and pain. At this time, however, neither the medical community nor the scientific community has found sufficient data to conclude that smoked marijuana is the best approach to dealing with these important medical issues.


The most comprehensive, scientifically rigorous review of studies of smoked marijuana was conducted by the Institute of Medicine, an organization chartered by the National Academy of Sciences. In a report released in 1999, the Institute did not recommend the use of smoked marijuana, but did conclude that active ingredients in marijuana could be isolated and developed into a variety of pharmaceuticals, such as Marinol.


In the meantime, the DEA is working with pain management groups, such as Last Acts, to make sure that those who need access to safe, effective pain medication can get the best medication available.

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here, for someone under 18, it's easier to buy weed or pills than alchohol

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rparis74 Wrote:
at least Thomas sticks to his states' rights guns whereas Scalia keeps picking and choosing


Scalia = the Emperor
Thomas = Darth Vader

And I'm not even sure Yoda circa episode 2 & 3 could save us if Rehnquist steps down during Bush's tenure.


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jewels santana Wrote:
that's a pretty lame excuse
there are 100's of more powerfull and far more addictive drugs that Dr's pescribe.

And nicotine is more addictive than any of those.

FACT: The #1 driving force in the original (successful) movement to criminalize marijuana was... the Tobacco Lobby. (Check the end of the film Reefer Madness to see who financed the thing.)


I'd say alcohol bottlers. They have the money to spend & fewer enemies in DC than big tabacco at this point. Reefer Madness was a long time ago.

They best not out law tomacco

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I bet there's a few more Obners that, in some sort of blind taste test, would find that they agreed with Clarence Thomas more than they would openly admit.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
I bet there's a few more Obners that, in some sort of blind taste test, would find that they agreed with Clarence Thomas more than they would openly admit.


I think Scalia and Thomas oversimplify issues. They seem to view things as either being black or white, and never a shade of grey. But I'll admit that there's some logic behind strict constuctionism. It does hold congress more accountable for terrible statute drafting, which is a good thing in the long run. In the short run, however, it can suck.

Or were you just referring to affirmative action?


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