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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:46 am 
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While flipping channels last night I found out that tool Tim McGraw had actually had a "controversial" song when he started out that upset American Indians. Looked up the lyrics and here's what I found. So whatcha think? People takin' the whole PC thing too far or is it legitimately offensive?

Indian Outlaw
I’m an indian outlaw
Half cherokee and choctaw
My baby she’s a chippewa
She’s one of a kind

All my friends call me bear claw
The village cheaftin’ is my paw-paw
He gets his orders from my maw-maw
She makes him walk the line

You can find me in my wigwam
I’ll be beatin’ on my tom-tom
Pull out the pipe and smoke you some
Hey and pass it around

’cause I’m an indian outlaw
Half cherokee and choctaw
My baby she’s a chippewa
She’s one of a kind

I ain’t lookin’ for trouble
We can ride my pony double
Make your little heart bubble
Lord like a glass of wine

I remember the medicine man
He caught runnin’ water in my hands
Drug me around by my headband
Said I wasn’t her kind

’cause I’m an indian outlaw
Half cherokee and choctaw
My baby she’s a chippewa
She’s one of a kind

I can kill a deer or buffalo
With just my arrow and my hickory bow
From a hundred yards don’t you know
I do it all the time

They all gather ’round my teepee
Late at night tryin’ to catch a peek at me
In nothin’ but my buffalo briefs
I got ’em standin’ in line

’cause I’m an indian outlaw
Half cherokee and choctaw
My baby she’s a chippewa
She’s one of a kind

Cherokee people
Cherokee tribe
So proud to live
So proud to die


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:51 am 
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this song is offensive because it lyrics are absolutely stupid regardless of it's view of Indians.

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Waitaminute, that last bit was just tacked on!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:54 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Tim McGraw-Indian Outlaw
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All my friends call me bear claw
The village cheaftin’ is my paw-paw
He gets his orders from my maw-maw
She makes him walk the line



This is tantamount to a death sentence.


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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Waitaminute, that last bit was just tacked on!

On further review I find that some sites have that last part while others don't. I've never heard the song so I don't know.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:59 am 
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Rick Derris Wrote:
DunwoodyDude Wrote:
All my friends call me bear claw
The village cheaftin’ is my paw-paw
He gets his orders from my maw-maw
She makes him walk the line



This is tantamount to a death sentence.

Yeah, that part made me go :wtf:


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The whole thing sorta makes me go :wtf:

I mean, it's not like you can crank out a fully recorded/produced song in 15 minutes... they had time to consider this. If it had been black stereotypes instead of am indian, well I just don't know how to finish that sentence.

In 5 seconds, Monty will have Wrote:
What's the big deal?

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
The whole thing sorta makes me go :wtf:

I mean, it's not like you can crank out a fully recorded/produced song in 15 minutes... they had time to consider this. If it had been black stereotypes instead of am indian, well I just don't know how to finish that sentence.

In 5 seconds, Monty will have Wrote:
What's the big deal?

Not only did they have time to consider it, but everyone pretty much hated the song. NOT because they found it offensive, they just thought the song sucked. I think they said it wasn't even on his first album but McGraw really pushed to get it on his 2nd.

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Wait, he pushed to get it on number 2? Oh dear god, how stupid is he?

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Wait, he pushed to get it on number 2? Oh dear god, how stupid is he?


Okay I'll take his obvious lack of intelligence, and abortion of taste, IF I CAN BANG HIS WIFE!


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I think I've actually heard this song before. Was it on the radio? I can't imagine I've heard it unless it was liked by people enough to justify lots of radio play.

Anyway, this is a terrible song. Tim McGraw is not half cherokee and choctaw because he's half:

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It ain't no Cher "Half-Breed" that's for sure.


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that song is old


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It's also no 1910 Fruitgum Company "Indian Giver."
or The Cowsill's "Indian Lake"

sure as hell ain't no "Please, Mr. Custer"'


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Phil Spoon, 17.54 PPD Wrote:
It's also no 1910 Fruitgum Company "Indian Giver."
or The Cowsill's "Indian Lake"

sure as hell ain't no "Please, Mr. Custer"'


[captain obvious] I reckon the difference here is the relative recent-ness of the "offense," and the "offender's" continued gargantuan success. He is no The Cowsills, and this ain't 1910. Meh. I'm sure they're used to it by now anyway.[/captain obvious]

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I meant that those were better songs.

The true offender was Rod Stewart. A Scottish football hooligan covering Robbie Robertson's "Broken Arrow" with no concern at all for what it's about.


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And isn't it funny how many Band songs were about the american civil war?? Friggin canadians... get your own history!

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This song is offensive because it plays on such cartoonish stereotypes with absolutely no redemming nutritional value.

This is doubled by the "What are y'all all worked about" reaction to people pointing this out.

It's not an off the cuff statement, slip of the tongue or errant remark. It took plenty of time to write, record, promote and shoot a video.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
And isn't it funny how many Band songs were about the american civil war?? Friggin canadians... get your own history!


At least they KNEW what the songs were about. Stewart was genuinely suprised when told that "Broken Arrow" was about specific Native imagery and customs. He thought it was just a pretty love tune. But this is the same sod who ripped the guts out of "Downtown Train" and at least 30 other great songs he just "had" to cover.


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True, and I believe Levon Helm was from Arkansas, too. That gets them in the door, but barely.

Nothing surprises me about Rod Stewart. I'd have liked it very very much if he could just have slipped into the oblivion of a non-career, but I guess that's not gonna happen, now that he's positioning himself to succeed Tony Bennett.

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Yes. Levon Helm is from eastern Arkansas.

I read a while back that "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" was written to shut him up, since he kept bitching about a song about the South during the Civil War.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
And isn't it funny how many Band songs were about the american civil war?? Friggin canadians... get your own history!


There's a limited market for songs about Louis Riel.

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