Who is writing his speeches?

He's a lot more fun to watch than the last DNC guy.

I'm thinkin' he no longer wants the job

Story? Link? What the crap is he saying/yelling? This?

Early in the primary season, though I wasn't planning on voting for him, I thought that Dean had at least something different to say in comparison to the "It's My Turn" crop of lackluster Democrats running for President, including Lieberman, Gephardt, Kerry, Graham and Moseley-Braun (yeah, that early).

I also saw his Iowa scream live on television, and I thought nothing of it. Nice to see some of these stiff suits roll up their sleeves and get excited.

But good goddamn. He's fallen into the trap of believing his own hype and only taking advice from his fanbase. Maybe the lack of limelight in late 2003 and early 2004 allowed him a certain amount of shelter, but at this point in time he's a cartoon serving to reinforce common beliefs about the Democratic Party.

There is one exception, but it gets drowned out thanks to all his other bonehead moves. He comes out with more passion, zeal and anger than many of his Democrat colleagues, who are wont to use words like "sad", "depressed" and "distressed". I don't believe I've ever been inspired by anyone telling me how they felt like crying over getting their ass beat.

And to think: In October 2003, Dean made a point of emphasizing the vote of the "NASCAR Dads", and claiming to want to be "the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks." He was soundly drummed by talking heads and pundits all over, either on claims of racism or Southern pandering.

Either way, John Kerry supporters and Democrats country-wide have done an embarrassing amount of slagging this same demographic ever since the election. I'm surprised he even got the DNC Chair.

Dean's problems are partly his own while also significantly enough from within his own party. Senators Biden and Edwards, while correct, confirmed this on weekend talk shows. As Loogar's quote pointed to yesterday, the Democrats need to put their pet issues down first and foremost. Then they can work on a reform campaign that is not centered around throwing all the GOP in jail on corruption and war crimes, then reversing every tax cut. That's if they have the smarts and balls, but right now party leadership doesn't show any promise.

as a liberal, i loved his comment(s) about republicans being a bunch of white christians. i mean jesus christ its about the most accurate thing i've heard in a long time. (and yes there are other republicans, but in context to his extire statement, its pretty much true)

hey scottycash99

83% of ALL AMERICANS are christians.......83% of americans are not republicans..


dean is a buffoon and belongs in the wwf or sports radio...not the politcal world.

Yep. Let's take a look at the Democrat Leadership
Senate Minority Leader: Harry Reid
Senate Minority Whip: Dick Durbin
House Minority Leader: Nancy Pelosi
House Minority Whip: Steny Hoyer
DNC Chair: Howard Dean
2004 Nominees: John Kerry & John Edwards
2008 Nominee: Hillary Clinton

Where are all the prominent Democrats of color? Barack Obama, a first-term Senator? Jesse Jackson, a has-been? Kweisi Mfume, a philandering has-been? Al Sharpton?

And don't give me the Bill Clinton as first black President garbage. The notion itself is ridiculous pandering, not to mention completely offensive.

Now, before you people get all riled up, realize the argument here is not that the GOP is full of white Christians, but that the Democratic Party leadership isn't exactly a multicultural fun fair.

I understand that there are racial barriers that only began to erode 50 years ago, and it will be some time before they are negligible. But Mr. Dean should get his own house in order first.

i think the christian tag gets thrown around alot.

i think there is a difference in those that call themselves 'christians' and the people that dean is referring to.

its pretty obvious by dean's comments who he is refering to, but its easier to grab on to a soundbite and run with a sensationalized story.

the 'christians' dean is referring to is the evangelical fundamentalist christian base that the republicans have been kissing up to since the reagan administration.

these fundamentalist evangelical christians will be the first to try and tell you that 83 % of america is not 'christian'. these fundamentalist x-tians will tell you that catholics are going to hell, as well as the mormons, jehovah's witnesses, lutherans, and those that are jewish.

Bullshit. He fucked up and said something stupid. I listened to the whole segment, which is several minutes long, including the first question and the follow up. He's responding to the Asian flight from the GOP, and he then goes on to praise the Democrats as a party of inclusion of different interest groups and cultural backgrounds.

with that comment he WAS going for a soundbite. who is he trying to win over anyway with comments like that? i think his stupid comments do not do the demoncratic party any justice in terms of getting people to side with them.

i love how people just HAVE to bring clinton up in ANY political discussion

as far as african american senators go, i have to say that i live in a state that has had 2 black senators (out of 4 total that have served) in the past 13 years. (and the first black woman senator)...so i have no problem with my house being in order

as for dean (and his house) he did a pretty good job in vermont pushing for legalizing unions for homosexual partners. and for equal protection for homosexuals. something i have yet to see a fundamentalist christian push for.

if you want to complain about minorities in vermont and their lack of elections to political office or appointments you have to remember that non-white minorities in vermont make up 3.8 percent of the population--not a huge base to draw from if you are looking to compare population percentages

I don't see how any of that pertains to Fu's point.

ignorance.

First off, oldbulee is right, and so is Timis.

Secondly, Dean isn't Governor of Vermont, he's Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Thirdly, he never mentions "Fundamentalist Christians", nor can you infer that's what he meant from his statements.

As for Clinton, it would only be a matter of time before what I mentioned came up, either in jest or seriously.

Tell you what. How about you velcro your shoes, take this down to the tire re-treading factory and have your foreman write a response. Maybe that way we might actually get somewhere.

I agree with your numbers, but they are misleading. Think of it this way: only ~50% of the american population who are eligible to vote do so. Of that 50%, votes have been roughly half republican, half democrat in the last few elections. Thus, GWB's voter base is only ~25% of the american population - and I'm willing to bet that 25% are mostly uber-christians that Dean was (poorly) referring to.

this is classic....

"You think people can work all day and then pick up their kids at child care or wherever and get home and still manage to sandwich in an eight-hour vote? Well Republicans, I guess can do that. Because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives."
http://treyjackson.net/files/dean20.mpg

dean needs to be shit-canned....

he's digging his own grave.

and it's fun to watch.

I pretty much hate the Republican partry's positions on just about everything, but the blatant stupidity of the Democrats makes them not much better in my book.

Yeah, good move, alienate christians in American and then try to win elections. These guys never learn. It's not about whether the Republicans are mostly white and Christian. They are, and so are the Democrats. It's about winning elections, and pissing off white christians, the people who vote more than any other group in this country, is just plain stupid. Its as if whenever Democrats do get elected, its more by accident than design.

Hell, if the Democrats could actually point to some high level people who actually had backgrounds different than the Republicans, I may take notice of shots like that. Instead, we have one group of rich, priveledged white boys against another group of rich, priveledged white boys with the rare exception tossed in on both sides. The Democrats just start to sound annoying to me when they act like they're anything but.

yes he is the NEW chairman of the dnc.

but he has a record as governor of vermont.

and i did infer that from his comments.

and instead of being a condescending prick, maybe you could have a conversation without attacking me?

Perhaps if you exhibited the intellectual capacity to form a knowledgeable and well-reasoned opinion, I would consider it.

Otherwise, and until further notice, no.

my opinions are well thought out and well reasoned -- they probably will not seem so because you disagree with them.

my original comment stands. i like and appreciate his comment. i think it should be taken into its proper context:

the republican party likes to believe they own god. there are alot of christians that truly believe that if you are a christian you must vote for the republican party.

W'ere not going to blow it this time. JUST SHUT UP, Gays, Women and Environmentalists. JUST SHUT UP! You'll get everything you want after the election. But just, for the meantime, SHUT UP, so that we can win.

Seriously, as has been stated above, it is not the message of the Democratic Party that is killing us, it is the delivery, and the tone and the messenger.

L'il Howie would've done us all some good by becoming Move On, Mk. II, but he had to storm the castle gates. It is hard to fathom, but the only way the Party has to go is down.

Is it friday yet?