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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
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your ideas intrigue me and I am interested in subscribing to your newsletter.


When the time is right man. I remember talking about this before, and I seriously do think I am hooked in on something that is going to be huge, and have huge repercussions. I almost hate to think/talk so grandiosely, but we're about to buck hard on some folks, to be sure.

Sounds like Hitler in '33.

It's a joke, people.


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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
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your ideas intrigue me and I am interested in subscribing to your newsletter.


When the time is right man. I remember talking about this before, and I seriously do think I am hooked in on something that is going to be huge, and have huge repercussions. I almost hate to think/talk so grandiosely, but we're about to buck hard on some folks, to be sure.

Sounds like Hitler in '33.

It's a joke, people.


You should see my new mustache and armband ;)

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
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I am sure that at 16 you were well equipped to make such a decision for yourself.

Eternal vigilance is fine, but your argument is off base. With reality and with what could ever be a good reality.

AuH20 in 2008.


In what world do you have to choice your vocation for life at age 16? I didn't end up in my current line of work until I was in my 30's. I was certainly capable of deciding whether I wanted to continue my liberal arts oriented education or not though.


Uh, so now we're talking about letting people just do not shit until their in their thirties?


I don't get your point. I was saying that the choices people make when they are in their teens aren't locking in their path for life. I didn't loaf until I was 30. I just worked in other fields.

As far as letting people just do shit, how does my proposal differ from yours other than that you would force someone to sit in a chair in school until they are 18.

We obviously disagree a lot and I'm not going to try to persuade you of the wisdom of my ideas. I'm remembering why I don't participate in the political threads more often.

I'm done. More important things to do.


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billy g Wrote:
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I am sure that at 16 you were well equipped to make such a decision for yourself.

Eternal vigilance is fine, but your argument is off base. With reality and with what could ever be a good reality.

AuH20 in 2008.


In what world do you have to choice your vocation for life at age 16? I didn't end up in my current line of work until I was in my 30's. I was certainly capable of deciding whether I wanted to continue my liberal arts oriented education or not though.


Uh, so now we're talking about letting people just do not shit until their in their thirties?


I don't get your point. I was saying that the choices people make when they are in their teens aren't locking in their path for life. I didn't loaf until I was 30. I just worked in other fields.

As far as letting people just do shit, how does my proposal differ from yours other than that you would force someone to sit in a chair in school until they are 18.

We obviously disagree a lot and I'm not going to try to persuade you of the wisdom of my ideas. I'm remembering why I don't participate in the political threads more often.

I'm done. More important things to do.


I mean, I like to argue, and I think yr. pretty smart and well informed, but misguided.

My point is WHO makes the decision and WHEN...and I think it is important. My liberal arts education has allowed to work in a field I had no clue I ever would or could, because I'm a damn fine writer and fast on my feet and have honed my instincts. If I didn't have that base, I would be screwed. I think what you are proposing would create a subclass of illiterate zombies. (Not that we don't have that already ;) ) but my main point is, the system is worth fixing,a nd I think that those who wish to dismantle it are misguided in their belief that some kind of return to 1890s style economics will just flood them right up with the Rockerfellers. It's nice, I love Horatio Alger, too, but you ain't never gonna be that guy. Sorry to break it to you. The system helps you too.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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D, you should just stop, step back, and learn to love again.


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D, you should just stop, step back, and learn to love again.


You of all people should no the possibility of this ever happening is close to nil.

I am fueled by rage.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
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D, you should just stop, step back, and learn to love again.


You of all people should no the possibility of this ever happening is close to nil.

I am fueled by rage.


And Krylon.


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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
My liberal arts education has allowed to work in a field I had no clue I ever would or could, because I'm a damn fine writer and fast on my feet and have honed my instincts.


My liberal arts education has allowed ["enabled" or "positioned" are better verbs, "allow" implies consent, which an "education" cannot provide] me to work in a field where I had no clue I ever would nor could, because I'm a damned fine writer, am fast on my feet, and have honed my instincts.

Better style would have been to split this into two sentences. "My l.a.e. .... I am able to do this because...."

But as you say, damn fine. :P


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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
My liberal arts education has allowed to work in a field I had no clue I ever would or could, because I'm a damn fine writer and fast on my feet and have honed my instincts.


My liberal arts education has allowed ["enabled" or "positioned" are better verbs, "allow" implies consent, which an "education" cannot provide] me to work in a field where I had no clue I ever would nor could, because I'm a damned fine writer, am fast on my feet, and have honed my instincts.

Better style would have been to split this into two sentences. "My l.a.e. .... I am able to do this because...."

But as you say, damn fine. :P


It's all about crafting your own style, suckaz!!

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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But as you say, damned fine. :P


We want to be consistent, after all.

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swiateck Wrote:
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But as you say, damned fine. :P


We want to be consistent, after all.


My usage was intentional, should've been in quotes. So there!


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Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:
i do agree that some kind of European style trade training woul dbe much better suited, but everyone whould have a base of knowledge.



they do that in inner citys, in philly they call it magnet schools. Kids at my dad's high school leanred how to fix soda machines and stuff like that.

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Again, here's a stupid whiney letter from HeadDumbFuck#1 (D(umb)-SF)

HOW CAN YOU BITCH ABOUT NOT HAVING A PLAN, AND NOT PRESENT A PLAN OF YOUR OWN?!!??

his Sunday is Father's Day, and many fathers in America are away from home. They are in Iraq, just as many mothers were on Mother's Day, fighting a war of choice, where we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people about the purpose of the war, without intelligence about what they were going to confront, without the equipment to protect them, and without a plan of what would happen after the fall of Baghdad. This is not the way to win a war.

Today, I have offered an amendment to the defense budget that will say to the President:

"Within 30 days of the enactment of this legislation, Congress expects an accounting from you as to what the strategy for success is. What are the security and political measures that you are putting forth that can lead us to bring our troops home?"

We can no longer afford to sit quietly while we wait for lights at the end of the tunnel and corners to be turned. It will take a clear, transparent process and input from both parties in Congress to win in Iraq, something that is impossible as long as we do not have a plan to work from. This amendment, along with a parallel one in the Senate, says that Democrats will no longer allow Congress and the American people to be marginalized from this process. It is critical to our chances of success in Iraq.

Today, I am asking you to join me in this demand. Please sign on as a citizen co-sponsor to this monumental amendment:

http://www.democraticaction.org/petitio ... iraq.shtml

Right now Americans are losing faith in the Administration's ability to handle this dire situation, but we must stand together to demand a public declaration of strategy that we can all support, discuss, and respond to.

We in Congress must now take up legislation calling for $45 billion for the war in Iraq in addition to the hundreds of billions of dollars already appropriated for that war. This money has been spent in Iraq without question, without accountability, and without success.

Enough.

We all wish for the best possible outcome in Iraq, but willfully leaving ourselves in the dark by excusing the White House from presenting a plan does nothing to this end. To the contrary, it leaves the most important engagement of our government in the hands of a few obsessively secretive men whose track record at this point is abysmal.

Presenting a clear plan to the American public would not only restore our confidence in the mission, it would demonstrate to the world that our intentions are pure and that we have no desire for a prolonged occupation.

Please sign on to co-sponsor my demand for a Strategy for Success in Iraq:

http://www.democraticaction.org/petitio ... iraq.shtml

No longer can we stand by and give the Administration the benefit of the doubt that they have a plan to get our troops home. The Administration has demanded complete control with complete secrecy, and Republicans in Congress have rewarded them with a complete lack of oversight. We need a plan, and we need a serious conversation outside of closed White House doors.

Sign up as citizen co-sponsor of this amendment today and tell them we NEED a plan - not open-ended questions. This is for the sake of our mission in Iraq and the soldiers that so nobly fight for it:

http://www.democraticaction.org/petitio ... iraq.shtml

The consequences of our engagement in Iraq will resonate for generations to come, and we can no longer sit quietly while the Bush Administration dictates the future of the world we leave to our children. Thank you for standing with me and my fellow Democrats.

Sincerely,



Nancy Pelosi
Democratic Leader

P.S. - "If force is used imprecisely or out of frustration rather than clear analysis, the situation can be made worse." -- Colin Powell, 1992

Today, Democrats are working together behind this principle in the House and in the Senate to demand a plan from the Bush Administration - add your name alongside ours.

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

FT Wrote:
LooGAR (the straw that stirs the drink)


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I agree that complaining solves little. Get in the game, "on the field" and you can effect the outcome. Stand on the sidelines yelling at the teams and you have no bearing on the game.

btw, the plans we seek are at Bechtel, Fluor, KBR, Louis Berger Group, Parsons Corp. and Washington Group International.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/rebuilding_iraq/index.asp

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so how does the minority get involved in the process of implementing solutions when republicans control the administrative branch, both legislative branches, and when 7 of 9 supreme court justices were nominated by the majority party?


[oh and the numbers have been added up....republicans ARE white and christian, with whites making up 98% of republicans in both state and federal elected positions]


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so how does the minority get involved in the process of implementing solutions when republicans control the administrative branch, both legislative branches, and when 7 of 9 supreme court justices were nominated by the majority party?


[oh and the numbers have been added up....republicans ARE white and christian, with whites making up 98% of republicans in both state and federal elected positions]


Whining and complaining always works. PRESENT A FUCKING ALTERNATIVES OR YOU WILL BECOME A PERMANENT MINORITY.

The Republican takeover of 12 years ago was succesful because they had an alternative. This is just someone saying "They Messed Up"

WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU DO BETTER?

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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get kissinger the fuck away from EVERYTHING

find Chalabi, kneecap him for the billions of dollars he duped us into giving him

remember where the fuck afghanistan is

stop using other countries as our secret torture chambers, fucking charge these people with a crime or let them go

stop leaking memos that spell out how illegal we know said torture chambers are

fucking charge DeLay already

offer a remotely possible withdrawal plan, which at least is something

obviously it's harder than it sounds to offer a viable alternative, but at this point even an outlandish alternative is better than the course of action we're on right now.

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Cotton Wrote:
get kissinger the fuck away from EVERYTHING

find Chalabi, kneecap him for the billions of dollars he duped us into giving him

remember where the fuck afghanistan is

stop using other countries as our secret torture chambers, fucking charge these people with a crime or let them go

stop leaking memos that spell out how illegal we know said torture chambers are

fucking charge DeLay already


No one cares about Kissinger.
19 people in America know who Chalabi is
Afghanistan is a starting point, but what doe it say about Iraq?
If you say "Muslim" at least 50% of America wants those people dead. I agree with you, but Gitmo ain't going away.
What do you want to charge Delay with, and where? Are you planning on charging any Democrats with campaign finance violations?

Sorry, I just think I have heard all of this a million times, and until we come up with a solid plan/alternative, its preaching to the choir.

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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well, what about reforming the shit out of the press? isn't that ideally what the major problem is? why nobody knows who chalabi is, why michael jackson is the headliner when 12 marines were killed the other day? If the NYT and the washington post are accepting white house statements at face value, then what the fuck is the point of even calling it a free press?

of course Democrats should be indicted as well. The more the better. Party loyalty is not an issue with me, and it shouldn't be to anyone with half a fucking brain. Aside from Campaign financing, can't DeLay be charged with anything? I feel like everyone knows he's breaking the law constantly but can do nothing about it. or at least breaking the limitations of his job.


Rudy Ray Moore for prez, 2008

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Sen. Two Live Them LooGAR Wrote:
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What you geniuses don't realize is that when the social safety net is dismantled it will have a detrimental effect on most people's lives, and I don't know you, but I doubt that you are member of idol-rich-elite, my man, and those are the only people that won't be screwed.


(I may regret opening my mouth here, but..)

Without the safety nets (welfare/SS/medicare) everyone would be impacted. If welfare-dependent people had nowhere to go, yes some would get jobs, but how many others would take to the streets and start mugging and robbing whomever they could? Crime would skyrocket. Without SS, where would so many old people people go? Many of them would end up on the streets, and we'd have double the number of homeless people we currently have. Without medicare, our hospitals would be even more bankrupt and over-crowded than they currently are.

The bottom line is (IMO), having these programs in place is better for all of us, even non-recipients, (and possibly even cheaper) than the alternative of having every man/woman/child for himself.


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well, what about reforming the shit out of the press? isn't that ideally what the major problem is? why nobody knows who chalabi is, why michael jackson is the headliner when 12 marines were killed the other day? If the NYT and the washington post are accepting white house statements at face value, then what the fuck is the point of even calling it a free press?



The press is a disgrace. The only worthwhile media element anymore is The Daily Show.

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Sen. Two Live Them LooGAR Wrote:
billy g Wrote:
Senator Marmie LooGAR Wrote:

What you geniuses don't realize is that when the social safety net is dismantled it will have a detrimental effect on most people's lives, and I don't know you, but I doubt that you are member of idol-rich-elite, my man, and those are the only people that won't be screwed.


(I may regret opening my mouth here, but..)

Without the safety nets (welfare/SS/medicare) the everyone would be impacted. If welfare-dependent people had nowhere to go, yes some would get jobs, but how many others would take to the streets and start mugging and robbing whoever they could? Crime would skyrocket. Without SS, where would so many old people people go? Many of them would end up on the streets, and we'd have double the number of homeless people we currently have. Without medicare, our hospitals would be even more bankrupt and over-crowded than they currently are.

The bottom line is (IMO), having these programs in place is better for all of us, even non-recipients, (and possibly even cheaper) than the alternative of having every man/woman/child for himself.


I actually said to a friend of mine's mom: "You can give 'em money out of your check, or you can shoot 'em off your porch" I know from what you speak.

Cotton -- yes the press is screwy, but the blogs and stuff like that that are supposed to alleviate that problem, contribute to the problem. Because they tailor news to like minded people. You still need mass media to reach everybody.

I have a nebulous theory that Republicans have done more to ruin this country by killing people's faith in things like Government and The Press than liberals ever will by "Taking God out of Public Life"

I don't know the answer, but I think it comes down to something like:
Cut the bullshit. Everyone knows we have some problems: here they are an here are my solutions. I don't care who caused them, I will solve them No scapegoats, no sacred cows. (Of course this would then just piss EVERYONE off)

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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well, what about reforming the shit out of the press? isn't that ideally what the major problem is? why nobody knows who chalabi is, why michael jackson is the headliner when 12 marines were killed the other day? If the NYT and the washington post are accepting white house statements at face value, then what the fuck is the point of even calling it a free press?


Cotton, you seem like a reasonable dude. So I hope you're just misspeaking when you say "reforming the shit out of the press". Because any state-sponsored reorganization (aside from being patently unconstitutional) would take us (I'm a reporter) in the opposite direction you're seeking. You think the Bushies would steer toward a more dogged press corps? Think again. If they had their way things would be so Orwellian that O'Reilly and Hannitty would look like Woodward & Bernstein. Hell, that's why they're taking steps right now to choke the life out ot PBS and NPR.
Read the NYT and Washington Post and other objective major daily and you'll find a wealth of critical, well-researched reportage. The problem is that things like Downing St., the whitewashing of environmental reports and other misdeeds aren't gaining the traction in the commentary/talk areas of the mediasphere where issues really take flight and can gain the higher consciousness. That's because those outlets trade in easy characterizations, black and white pick-a-side arguments and sabre rattling. And it's the same on Air America as it is on Limbaugh. Complex, multi-faceted issues drop off the radar almost instantly because they require more than 2 seconds of serious thought or contemplation. The public at large repeatedly shows they have no appetite for that.
Certainly not when they can flip on "Dancing With The Stars".

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hey, works for me. i'd vote for someone who i agreed with 50% if they had that sort of presentation.

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