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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:53 pm 
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Space Shuttle Damaged on the Launch Pad

By MARCIA DUNN


AP Aerospace Writer







CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) -- With the countdown for Discovery in its final hours, NASA was dealt a setback Tuesday when a window cover fell off the shuttle and damaged thermal tiles near the tail. But the space agency said it probably could fix the problem in time for Wednesday's launch.

The mishap was an eerie reminder of the very thing that doomed Columbia - damage to the spaceship's fragile thermal shield.

The plastic-and-foam cover on one of Discovery's cockpit windows fell at the launch pad and struck a bulge in the fuselage that houses an orbital-maneuvering engine.

Stephanie Stilson, NASA manager in charge of Discovery's launch preparations, said that the tiles on an aluminum panel were damaged and that a spare panel would be installed in its place late Tuesday. She said the work could be done in about an hour and should not delay the launch.

No workers were nearby when the window cover fell off and dropped about 60 feet, the space agency said. It was not immediately clear why the cover - which was held by tape - came loose.

Word of the mishap came just two hours after NASA declared Discovery ready to return the nation to space, 2 1/2 years after the Columbia disaster.

Up until the window cover fell, NASA's only concern was the weather. Because of thunderstorms in the forecast, the chances of acceptable weather at launch time were put at 60 percent.

Discovery and its crew of seven were set to blast off at 3:51 p.m. EDT. The last few technical concerns were resolved Tuesday afternoon at one final launch review by NASA's managers.

"It is utterly crucial for NASA, for the nation, for our space program to fly a safe mission," NASA Administrator Michael Griffin said on the eve of the launch. "We have done everything that we know to do."

The families of the seven astronauts killed during Columbia's catastrophic re-entry praised the accident investigators, a NASA oversight group and the space agency itself for defining and reducing the dangers.

Like those who lost loved ones in the Apollo 1 spacecraft fire and the Challenger launch explosion, the Columbia families said they grieve deeply "but know the exploration of space must go on."

"We hope we have learned and will continue to learn from each of these accidents so that we will be as safe as we can be in this high-risk endeavor," they said in a statement. "Godspeed, Discovery."

Discovery will be setting off on the 114th space shuttle flight in 24 years with a redesigned external fuel tank and nearly 50 other improvements made in the wake of the Columbia tragedy.

A chunk of foam insulation the size of a carry-on suitcase fell off Columbia's fuel tank at liftoff and slammed into a reinforced carbon panel on the shuttle's wing, creating a hole that brought the spacecraft crashing down in pieces during its return to Earth on Feb. 1, 2003.

Almost every day since then, engineers have struggled to keep foam, ice and other debris from popping off the tank. They will not know whether they succeeded until Discovery flies.

During the 12-day flight, Discovery's astronauts will test various techniques for patching cracks and holes in the thermal shielding.

The crew members will also try out a new 50-foot boom designed to give them a three-dimensional laser view of the wings and nose cap and help them find any damage caused by liftoff debris. That is on top of all the pictures of the spacecraft that will be taken by more than 100 cameras positioned around the launching site and aboard two planes and the shuttle itself.

"After this flight, we will have a much, much, much better idea of whether or not our measures we have taken ... have been effective - or not effective," Griffin said. "Now our best engineers have put their best efforts on that, and we devoutly hope that they have been effective."

The board that investigated the Columbia accident put some of the blame on the space agency's safety culture, which collapsed during the doomed flight. Shuttle managers dismissed the foam strike, and engineers did not speak up about their fears.

At Tuesday's meeting, Griffin said, there was full and frank discussion of the remaining technical concerns.

"I think we got everything that everybody knows about out on the table," he said. "Can there be something that we don't know about that can bite us? Yeah. This is a very tough business. It's a tough business. But everything we know about has been covered."

A safe and successful flight of Discovery will not vindicate the space agency, Griffin said.

"There is no recovery from mistakes we've made, whether it goes back to the Apollo fire, loss of Challenger or the loss of Columbia. Going back even further to 100 years of aviation, the safety systems that we who fly have learned and know are written in other people's blood," said Griffin, a pilot.

"The minute we say we're good enough, we start getting bad again and we need not to do that."

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:59 pm 
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Well....

wasn't duct tape, was it.

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probably scotch. duct tape wouldn't fail like that.

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I used to wonder whether they outsourced this work or not. Now I can pretty much guarantee that this is all pure-dee Made In The U.S.A. craftsmanship.

Isn't it about time we get the Japanese involved in building our spacecraft?


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 Post subject: Re: launching something into space that is held together by
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:08 pm 
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No workers were nearby when the window cover fell off and dropped about 60 feet, the space agency said. It was not immediately clear why the cover - which was held by tape - came loose.

No, no, no, no . . . no. This part is not something that would go into space. When the space shuttle is rolled out to the launch pad, the plexiglass windows are protected with these opaque hard plastic shields. In the hours before liftoff, they are removed so the crew can see out the windows. They're in place because the plexiglass must remain completely free of scratches that could occur from something as simple as a bird flying into it.

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Another fine aerospace product brought to you by ACME.


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 Post subject: Re: launching something into space that is held together by
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Mot Wrote:
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No workers were nearby when the window cover fell off and dropped about 60 feet, the space agency said. It was not immediately clear why the cover - which was held by tape - came loose.

No, no, no, no . . . no. This part is not something that would go into space. When the space shuttle is rolled out to the launch pad, the plexiglass windows are protected with these opaque hard plastic shields. In the hours before liftoff, they are removed so the crew can see out the windows. They're in place because the plexiglass must remain completely free of scratches that could occur from something as simple as a bird flying into it.


Why do you have to ruin all our fun with facts?

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 Post subject: Re: launching something into space that is held together by
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:27 pm 
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Why do you have to ruin all our fun with facts?

Sorry, I can't help it. I'm a shuttle-geek, have been since I was about 7 years old. I just wanted to educate. Just ignore me, have your fun. I know too much for my own good.

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I like coloured duct tape.

Ohhh...speaking of duct tape. My friend, Fraser, has a cool wallet that's made out of silver duct tape. When he purchased it, it came with its own roll of tape for instant repairs. (Why couldn't have I thought of that idea?)


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rparis74 Wrote:
No workers were nearby when the window cover fell off and dropped about 60 feet, the space agency said. It was not immediately clear why the cover - which was held by tape - came loose.

No, no, no, no . . . no. This part is not something that would go into space. When the space shuttle is rolled out to the launch pad, the plexiglass windows are protected with these opaque hard plastic shields. In the hours before liftoff, they are removed so the crew can see out the windows. They're in place because the plexiglass must remain completely free of scratches that could occur from something as simple as a bird flying into it.


No bullshit, I was seriously impressed by this response.

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Mot Wrote:
epa Wrote:
Why do you have to ruin all our fun with facts?

Sorry, I can't help it. I'm a shuttle-geek, have been since I was about 7 years old. I just wanted to ejaculate. Just ignore me, have your fun. I know too much for my own good.


All right, I'll try, but it's difficult.

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 Post subject: Re: launching something into space that is held together by
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Elvis Fu Wrote:
Mot Wrote:
rparis74 Wrote:
No workers were nearby when the window cover fell off and dropped about 60 feet, the space agency said. It was not immediately clear why the cover - which was held by tape - came loose.

No, no, no, no . . . no. This part is not something that would go into space. When the space shuttle is rolled out to the launch pad, the plexiglass windows are protected with these opaque hard plastic shields. In the hours before liftoff, they are removed so the crew can see out the windows. They're in place because the plexiglass must remain completely free of scratches that could occur from something as simple as a bird flying into it.


No bullshit, I was seriously impressed by this response.


people on this site know way too much irrelevant shit - it is really crazy sometimes


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people on this site know way too much irrelevant shit

yeah, like krautrock. I kid, I kid...


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I don't think I have ever encountered one of these before.

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rparis74 Wrote:
Elvis Fu Wrote:
Mot Wrote:
rparis74 Wrote:
No workers were nearby when the window cover fell off and dropped about 60 feet, the space agency said. It was not immediately clear why the cover - which was held by tape - came loose.

No, no, no, no . . . no. This part is not something that would go into space. When the space shuttle is rolled out to the launch pad, the plexiglass windows are protected with these opaque hard plastic shields. In the hours before liftoff, they are removed so the crew can see out the windows. They're in place because the plexiglass must remain completely free of scratches that could occur from something as simple as a bird flying into it.


No bullshit, I was seriously impressed by this response.


people on this site know way too much irrelevant shit - it is really crazy sometimes

I think it's just a geekism thing. Music geeks are probably geeks for other things, too, and given the opportunity we just can't hold back. Me, my thing is the space shuttle. (For example, I'm having a very hard time not pointing out that when we refer to "space shuttle," it's not just the winged craft but the whole system of external fuel tank, booster rockets, and the orbiter (that is the winged craft.) There. I feel better now.)

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