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I'm having a hard time giving something a very low rating. I'm generally not one on extremes, a "1" seems harsh because it's hard to find an album that has absolutely nothing redeeming on it (unless it involves Santana and a "popular singer") and "10" seems like a perfect rating and nothing is perfect. Still, on the charts, I've been giving my favorite albums and those I truly think are worthy, 10s. I can only rate albums I own or have listened to a lot so it's hard to give a 1. I don't buy albums by bands I think that poorly of. Anway, I think my lowest rating thus far is a 4.


Well, I think everyone has their own '10' and it doesnt necessarily have to mean perfect. It is certainly relative for me, and I rated about 12 albums a 10, but they are classic and timeless, no matter what the release date. Also, I could play any of them start to finish and want to do it all over again afterwards...exile, revolver, the bends, aeroplane, my aim is true...never get tired of these. However, I would not intentionally rate an album below 3, I think, because I could never listen to such an album all the way through.


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OK, so I have to know why billyg gave Kind of Blue a 2. It's especially puzzling since we have similar ratings on a lot of other things and also because he really likes Sunday at the Village Vanguard.


People have actually listened to it?

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OK, so I have to know why billyg gave Kind of Blue a 2. It's especially puzzling since we have similar ratings on a lot of other things and also because he really likes Sunday at the Village Vanguard.


People have actually listened to it?


haha

Seriously, though, a lot of his favorite stuff isn't obscure. I'm really eager to hear his justification for this.

Also, the dude's given out a lot of 10s. I'm thinking maybe I've been too stingy with my 10s...


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haha

Seriously, though, a lot of his favorite stuff isn't obscure. I'm really eager to hear his justification for this.

Also, the dude's given out a lot of 10s. I'm thinking maybe I've been too stingy with my 10s...


i know; im with you on the justification on Kind of Blue; I mean if you dont like it fine, but a 2 seems a bit harsh coming from that dude.

My only problem with 10's has been dealing them out to any albums from the so-called modern era: I think I've only given out about 4 or 5 to anything after 1990.

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Drinky Wrote:
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OK, so I have to know why billyg gave Kind of Blue a 2. It's especially puzzling since we have similar ratings on a lot of other things and also because he really likes Sunday at the Village Vanguard.


People have actually listened to it?


haha

Seriously, though, a lot of his favorite stuff isn't obscure. I'm really eager to hear his justification for this.

Also, the dude's given out a lot of 10s. I'm thinking maybe I've been too stingy with my 10s...


The justification was I must have accidently rated it while navigating the screen using the wheel on my mouse. I've done that a few other times, caught it, and reversed the rating. Guess I'll have to do an audit of my votes.

I'd have to give it some thought as to what I would rate it. I think it made my listmania but would be unlikely to make it again so probably an 8 or a 9 but truthfully I'd probably have to give it a spin to decide.


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The justification was I must have accidently rated it while navigating the screen using the wheel on my mouse. I've done that a few other times, caught it, and reversed the rating. Guess I'll have to do an audit of my votes.

I'd have to give it some thought as to what I would rate it. I think it made my listmania but would be unlikely to make it again so probably an 8 or a 9 but truthfully I'd probably have to give it a spin to decide.


well played sir, a clerical error then? very good.

yeah, i gotta go back and check my shit too. the thing where you can look at all of your ratings is amazing.

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The justification was I must have accidently rated it while navigating the screen using the wheel on my mouse. I've done that a few other times, caught it, and reversed the rating. Guess I'll have to do an audit of my votes.

I'd have to give it some thought as to what I would rate it. I think it made my listmania but would be unlikely to make it again so probably an 8 or a 9 but truthfully I'd probably have to give it a spin to decide.


Dammit. Way less controversial than I'd hoped.


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The justification was I must have accidently rated it while navigating the screen using the wheel on my mouse. I've done that a few other times, caught it, and reversed the rating. Guess I'll have to do an audit of my votes.

I'd have to give it some thought as to what I would rate it. I think it made my listmania but would be unlikely to make it again so probably an 8 or a 9 but truthfully I'd probably have to give it a spin to decide.


well played sir, a clerical error then? very good.

yeah, i gotta go back and check my shit too. the thing where you can look at all of your ratings is amazing.


I checked and fixed it...I'd also apparently unintentionally rated the new Queens album as a 7 which would be a bit generous.

What would be really cool would be if we could run a report to see what fellow boarders rated most similarly. Now that would be useful although I guess you'd probably guess most of them correctly.


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What would be really cool would be if we could run a report to see what fellow boarders rated most similarly. Now that would be useful although I guess you'd probably guess most of them correctly.


check out my thread down the page for more suggestions. (edit: http://www.obner.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9213)

ive actually been pleasantly surprised on some people's ratings (i always check after i vote to see what others think) Apparently shiv and I are both massive Faith No More freaks.

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It's a great format to be able to track others' lists of scores.

5 people gave "Across the Rooftops" a perfect 10. Only one other voter scored it at all. Alongdrive gave it a 1. Alongdrive has three votes only, a 3 and two 1's. Methinks Alongdrive has an agenda or an incipient date with a professional counselor or the law. Surely he must like something.

Hence the conclusion that a vote can be driven not even by an opinion about about a work, but rather to have an impact on a work's average.

Dropping the a "top score" and a "bottom score" before averaging the work might mitigate the nihilist voter urge.

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It's a great format to be able to track others' lists of scores.

5 people gave "Across the Rooftops" a perfect 10. Only one other voter scored it at all. Alongdrive gave it a 1. Alongdrive has three votes only, a 3 and two 1's. Methinks Alongdrive has an agenda or an incipient date with a professional counselor or the law. Surely he must like something.

Hence the conclusion that a vote can be driven not even by an opinion about about a work, but rather to have an impact on a work's average.

Dropping the a "top score" and a "bottom score" before averaging the work might mitigate the nihilist voter urge.


Can't speak for him, but some people have things called "strong opinions" about works one way or another, I truly find The Stooges and Patti Smith unlistenable...and I truly think Exile and Blood on the Tracks are damn near perfect.

You may call it an agenda..but I'm not rating many of the albums that I find beyond meh, just to drive to averages or anything.

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Sen. Grand Wizard LooGAR Wrote:
harry Wrote:
It's a great format to be able to track others' lists of scores.

5 people gave "Across the Rooftops" a perfect 10. Only one other voter scored it at all. Alongdrive gave it a 1. Alongdrive has three votes only, a 3 and two 1's. Methinks Alongdrive has an agenda or an incipient date with a professional counselor or the law. Surely he must like something.

Hence the conclusion that a vote can be driven not even by an opinion about about a work, but rather to have an impact on a work's average.

Dropping the a "top score" and a "bottom score" before averaging the work might mitigate the nihilist voter urge.


Can't speak for him, but some people have things called "strong opinions" about works one way or another, I truly find The Stooges and Patti Smith unlistenable...and I truly think Exile and Blood on the Tracks are damn near perfect.

You may call it an agenda..but I'm not rating many of the albums that I find beyond meh, just to drive to averages or anything.


Well my point exactly, you LIKE things. You don't like Iggy so you were probably a special needs kid, but I value your differently-abled critical faculty. But what about someone who votes one 3 and two 1's. Oh, I am admire nihilism, bit partial to it myself, but if you want a clearer average for a work...

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It's a great format to be able to track others' lists of scores.

5 people gave "Across the Rooftops" a perfect 10. Only one other voter scored it at all. Alongdrive gave it a 1. Alongdrive has three votes only, a 3 and two 1's. Methinks Alongdrive has an agenda or an incipient date with a professional counselor or the law. Surely he must like something.

Hence the conclusion that a vote can be driven not even by an opinion about about a work, but rather to have an impact on a work's average.

Dropping the a "top score" and a "bottom score" before averaging the work might mitigate the nihilist voter urge.


Can't speak for him, but some people have things called "strong opinions" about works one way or another, I truly find The Stooges and Patti Smith unlistenable...and I truly think Exile and Blood on the Tracks are damn near perfect.

You may call it an agenda..but I'm not rating many of the albums that I find beyond meh, just to drive to averages or anything.


Well my point exactly, you LIKE things. You don't like Iggy so you were probably a special needs kid, but I value your differently-abled critical faculty. But what about someone who votes one 3 and two 1's. Oh, I am admire nihilism, bit partial to it myself, but if you want a clearer average for a work...


I feel you harry. Actually, I was in T.A.G., and one of those things that I was brought up doing was thinking for myself, and not listening and pretending to enjoy rote garbage because some magazine or an arbitrary group of morons has deemed it "classic."

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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I've read these five pages and come to the conclusion "This is why I have my own chart".

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I rescinded the rating of the album I gave a 1 to out of spite.

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