johnny depp's voice in this annoys me just from the previews.

You will feel the exact opposite once you see Johnny Depp within the context of the movie. The trailer does not do his performance justice at all.

Also, this is coming from someone who had the same opinion as you about Depp in the trailer. The cut and paste job essentially killed his character.

hmm - thanks for the input.

I finally figured out where I have seen that Oompa Loompa guy before - Flash Gordon. He was one of the onlookers in Ming's castle when Flash was playing "football" with the guards.

My thoughts about the movie:

1. Does anybody else here think that Augustus Gloop looked like Billy Corgan?

2. Yeah, the music was cool, especially the opening/title theme by Danny Elfman.

3. Johnny Depp's voice was incredibly annoying throughout.

4. Overall, pretty entertaining. I thought the ending was alright.

5. I'll be going to see Corpse Bride, I loved The Nightmare Before Christmas.

i don't get the American ratings system. How is this movie R-rated? Here this would be PG - 13 or maybe M at a stretch.

Isn't M equivalent to R? 17+?

seeing it this weekend.

i missed the 'there's no earthly way of knowing....' part BIG TIME.

(but like the new one. ....A LOT.)

Following more closely to a book means crap to me. Gene Wilder is Willy Wonka, the curly hair, the boyish grin, the madness sitting behind the eyes. The sets actually seemed cooler and more creative in the original. The addition of back stories detracted from the focus. I don't want to know why Wonka's a madman but i do want him to be a madman and not just a cook with weird hair. It was already a creepy movie, and even more so because of the time it was made... this one just feels forced, uncreative and dated.

BTW, if you really want to see Manson as Wonka check out one of his earlier videos from Portrait of an American Family. It defines freaky.

he was also in an x-files episode where he played some kind of hindu mystic who was avenging some chemical plant disaster in India by killing people (he would somehow get inside them and control their bodies) - he rolled around on a little cart.

I actually heard a review on the radio, wherein the guy applauded them for making a good, let's not pretend we're catering to teenagers and just go full out R-rated comedy.

So I suspect it's language. Perhaps some nudity? I don't know, I haven't seen it. (We are talking about Wedding Crashers here -- Charlie... is rated PG.)

I was having this discussion with someone the other day. Why not? It was originally a book. It wasn't originally a movie starring Gene Wilder. Following more closely to the book means following more closely to the original message, means being more faithful to original intent, which in my eyes usually means better. The book is far superior to either of these movies, but as a representation of the novel (and imo as a film,) the Buron version is better.



No, I'm afraid Gene Wilder is not Willy Wonka. Willy Wonka is Willy Wonka, and only Roald Dahl knows what or who he really was, and maybe he himself didn't really know. Gene Wilder poisoned your mind into thinking that he was Willy Wonka, but he was really just Gene Wilder. He didn't even do that much acting, he just played the kind of part that I think Gene Wilder kind of plays. "The curly hair?" I'm not sure what it says in the book about Wonka's hair, but curly hair does not a character make. And the boyish grin? Does Depp never grin in his incarnation? Or is it not boyish enough for you? What is the problem exactly?


I can't see how you think that's possible. The chocolate river in the older film does not look like chocolate. It looks orange. They flew around in an glass elevator in this one and passed by a lot of really cool stuff in this one. And the sets were real. There were no green screens, it was all real.



The addition of the back story was something I thought I'd have a big problem with going into it, but I just found it really funny when Depp floated off into a flashback and forgot where he was and just started thinking about Daddy. I enjoyed that a lot more than Wilder's "curly hair."

M = recommended for 15+ (i think), not enforced

I eat my words about July 15 being the last great weekend for summer movies this year.

This weekend looks great too (Bad News Bears, The Island).