None for me. Maybe I should add that to my house's listing.

From 25 to uno (ATL to Madison).

...and yall live in "greying hippy land" too. You just KNOW some of them fuckers are tt mongers.

i doubt it actually.

51, in Portland.

67...but I know that if my neighborhood all pulls together, we can do better.

rparis would be correct. Lock these fuckers up and throw the key away.

Matter of fact, I am against the death penalty, but in the case of child molesters, I am all for it.

One simple thing: I can think of 1,000,001 reasons to kill someone, but I cannot think of a single reason to fuck a child.

That, my friend, is the truest truism there ever was. Well stated, <>D. Treat yourself to a can of safety orange, on me.

Biggest reason is they grew up getting fucked, so they believe it's how the world is supposed to work because it's what they know. It's not true for every case, nor does it make the offender justified or unaccountable in any case. I know it's tough to comprehend if it hasn't touched your nuclear family, but this shit happens and is everywhere (10% of the 1,800,000 child abuse referalls in 2002 were sexual).

I know my general opinions about reforming prison toward a more rehabilitative format would probably be viewed as idealistic and a bit pansy (INFJ, bitches!), but I think life-long punishment for sex offenders is about as effective as increasing gun control measures is for violent crime. They both might bring the stats down in the short term but don't address the cultural/societal issues that make the problem so prominent in the first place.

pretty much all of my knowledge of sex offenders comes from SVU, so i'll sit this one out.

Stabler will whip some molesting ASS though.

Gotta do both, IMHO..you have to have some sort of rehab/causal interference, but you also have to throw the book at em. AND HARD.

And if that means long-term, no-parole rehab in a isolated, somewhat-supportive/accepting environment, we can start there. I just hear the punishment-without-rehab talk, and it's a bit disconcerting. Today's prison won't fix 'em, and death/castration penalities won't deter enough of 'em. (edit: english? nope)

He might need to start with himself...

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Yeah, but folks like King MOLO up there in Washington State, who had his "molo notebooks" and that dude who killed the little boy (who'se sister was found thank GOD) They need to die. And not in any humane manner. Line up against the wall and shoot em.



I don't care if its a detterent or not, they gotta get what's coming to em.

I bet Stabler's beard would tickle.


Can I say that?

Ok, so i was maybe half kidding.

I do agree about attacking sitting politicians for not adressing both the Molo and the Meth epidemics. Public officials have a responsibility to do so and should be called to task if they do not do their jobs.

While I'm not suggesting "ethnic cleansing" per say, I think that we as a society need to deal with this issue in the most severe (and of course fair and judicious) manner legaaly possible.

I guess I'm just really tired and frustrated to read about peoples' lives being ruined every day.

Oh, and I think that you will find that this crime has the lowest rate of rehabilitation; so Sketch I'm not to sure about the nature/nurture/nurture/nature suggestions (i honestly believe its a bit of both) but I do know that reform of these monsters doesnt typically take...

I'll have to think on the other questions a bit.

I'll agree to disagree and leave it there. If anyone deserves to die unnaturally, I believe they will without others forcing it on moral grounds. Karma/cause-n-effect 'n' shit.

Heard loud and clear, man.


I agree it's a bit of both nature and nurture, and my idealism never equates "hasn't worked" will "will never work." Just how I'm wired. Maybe something in the reform programs needs to change. Maybe the sentences do need to be longer and treated as a mentall illness. Don't know what it looks like, but I don't think all the possibilities have been exhausted either. Thanks for being open to discussion.

It's home time, kids.

The word molo makes it seem kinda fun and harmless.

...or like a new sauce at Chipotle.

Fun, harmless, and SPICY.

I have a question -- is sex offender necessarily a pedophile? I thought it included (adult) rapists, as well...?See, the nice thing about castration is that it takes care of both problems, nature and nurture. I think the point was to get them before they have children, though.See Gattaca.

Good point. My focus of discussion here is on pedophilia, but technically sex offenders do include adult rapists. Important distinction to make, and I jumped on the children bit due to Yail's emphasis on it.


Not if there's an intent to ever re-introduce them into society. Even though their stuff doesn't work, they can still fondle kids if they get access to them. There might not be any sexual satisfaction, but some other feeling (like a warped semblance of love or a declaration of power) probably takes its place. There's also the possibility that they get violent, and I would suspect the likelihood of this with adult rapists would be a lot higher. Isolating them handles the nurture part of the equation by preventing access to other potential victims.


You're right: the ideal behind this is to get them before they have kids, but that's not always going to happen. Plus, when something like this is first implemented, there will be children/victims of pedophiles all over the place. How do you handle those who through no fault of their own are considered likely to be an offender because of their genes or circumstances?


I just might. The premise is intriguing. Thanks for the rec.

Goddammit. I missed all this shit. For starters, 33 in the Annapolis zip. We just got a new zip code for my area, but it doesn't register on shit yet.

Sketch, I'm behind you on this. Pansy or not, there is little to no rehabilitive nor reforming force in the criminal justice system. Joe Arpaio and his ilk are wrong. His recidivism rates are not impressive, and possibly above the national average.

I also happened to hear a psychologist on the radio today giving his professional opinion that chemical castration is not the answer for two reasons: Number one, it has to be administered on multiple occasions, and number two, it hasn't proven itself to be effective.

Not to apologize for sexual predators, but some of these people are on the list for things like beating off in a dept. store (it happens more than you think) or even using sexual language in the presence of children.

Some of these people are beyond help, and they should be dealt with accordingly if they cannot find better things to do with their hands. That said, however, the guy with the book full of notes and the guy in Florida that killed that little girl are not representative of the entire database.

We should be careful of jumping into the Mark Klaas and John Walsh methods of judgement and execution. Yes it is horrible that their children were brutally murdered, but that shit is gonna happen no matter what.

We need to sit down to investigate and determine patterns of behavior, and find out if the non-stop stories are indicative of a genuine problem in how we deal with offenders or if it is just another shark attack/missing pretty white girl story.

Gotta throw my cents in.

So that I can sound both knowledgable and arrogant at the same time let me inform everyone that I prosecute these motherfuckers for a living. They do deserve to have the book thrown at them. However:

1) Like every other crime, you cannot in every circumstance know 100% whether someone is guilty. EVEN IF THEY ARE CONVICTED. Therefore saying execution/castration is the answer is obviously going too far. The amount of guys who you would actually want to kill for doing stuff like this is surprisingly low. My belief is that the evil we saw in that guy who took the brother and sister in Washington does exist, but is rather rare.

2) Lot's of states have Sexually Violent Predator statutes where prosecutors can file civil charges against someone who has been determined to be a danger. There is a jury trial and the question basically is, "Do we think this fucker is so dangerous that we lock him up for the rest of his life where they can make an attempt at treatment?" From what I've seen (and my office does them) they work. Don't know if Georgia has it but if not the Senator might want to start pressing for that shit.