i pretty much agree with twilightkid, drinky, and dalen and i'll add this:

so you're telling me that when you're driving on a sunny day and flipping through the stations and "ramble on" or "the ocean" or whatever comes on you don't turn in up? come on, seriously, it's not that cool to hate zepplin. . .

. . . in fact the self-awareness/irony meter seems to be winding up (or winding down--i can't tell which) and, from what i can tell, folks are starting to come back around lately.

c.

edit: repeat post by mistake. my bad.

I like them a whole bunch, own all their recorded output, etc. but like most of the people who have posted positively about LZ in this thread, don't get around to listening to them that much anymore.

I will completely disagree with the sentiments of people like rads (and that whole 1977 crowd) about them being bloated or what-have-you....One only needs to listen to the majority of Presence or Coda to realize their genius at capturing a short,punky number.

And I guarantee Johnny T. had all their rekkids.

And here's maybe a different topic for a different day: Do the same people who purport to despise so-called wankery and jam bands also hate the Mars Volta? Because that crap is wankery of the lowest dimension imagineable and not even fun to boot.

growing up in OKC, there was only one radio station that was even close to being listenable...and they played the shit out of Led Zep

and that's my problem with them...I was beat over the head with Zepplin rock blocks and Led Zep all-request hours for many years and that's sucked most of the enjoyment out of the music for me

it's not about being too indie for Plant and the fellas...I just have no interest in hearing their music

Hot Dog is fun

but it's not very Zeppliny at all

zeppelin are an amazing band.
i can't believe how many of you don't like them (or claim to not like them)

your loss

[radio voice] you're locked into a Zeppp Settttt on the home of the roooockkkk, (call letters)[/radio voice]

"Hey hey mama said the way you move....."

I bought all their albums in elementary school (and I mean all their albums...even Coda and the BBC sessions), listened to them a lot, and then never pulled them out again through middle or high school. I don't particularly care for them too much anymore, but they still have a shitload of great songs. I and III are both excellent albums. II and some of the later albums never really did anything for me.

I have never owned, nor do I plan on owning anything by Led Zeppelin. I had a friend in high school who worshipped them, but I just didn't get into them. Partly Robert Plant's voice, partly just boring drawn out white boy blues, and mostly just because they never grabbed me. They rank somewhere behind The Eagles & The Doors in my highly hated list.

Great musicians or not, I don't really care. I'm sure Zamfir plays a mean fucking pan flute, but that ain't gonna make me buy all his records.

With one exception, if Led Zeppelin comes on the radio no matter what the day, I will change the station.

If the song is "Hey, Hey, What Can I Do", I will turn it up all the way and probably sing along. I love that song.

Jon Brion on why Led Zeppelin's deficient: "I don't listen to Led Zeppelin for songs. I listen to them for performance and arrangement, the authority of the drum sounds, the crazy room sounds, and the colors in the guitar, the groove. I listen to them for the same reason I listen to James Brown: The groove is phenomenal. I ask no more of the music than to groove hard as it does and then, on top of it, they give me this nice color change. Pretty cool. But any Led Zeppelin fan who has heard me say, `I don't think they have songs,' will cry, They have 10 albums of them! What kind of freak are you?' And I'll answer, They have 10 albums of great music, not great songs.'"

One of the "one or two". Check out I Love Ethyl's version on "The Song Retains The Name", blows the original to pieces.

Well, this isn't going to help one way or th'other, but I hated Zep in high school, but dig them now.

Perfect.

Yes, Zep were way overplayed, especially around here in the eighties and nineties when every other radio station was "classic rock". Zep is chock full of great songs, though. Cool or not.

This kinda sums up Zep for me. I didn't hate 'em in HS, just wasn't interested. Much later on I got into their albums and discovered there was a ton of great stuff other than what was severely overplayed on the radio. It's these songs that are still fresh for me.

Steve

Billz has it right.

No Quarter is really a fantasic song, though. I almost started a thread about it last week. I was in a club and in between acts, the dj played it. It was the first time I'd heard it in over fifteen years probably.

Made me question whether I'd been wrong in thinking I didn't like Zeppelin. I came home, went on the internet and listened to samples of songs off every album of their albums. Sadly, No Quarter was the only one I liked at all and that one I love.

Try "Ten Years Gone", Billy. Seriously, it's the one I would most strongly recommend for a fan of "No Quarter" but no other Zep. If that clicks, try the whole second album of Physical Graffiti. You'd be surprised what's on there.

or all the acoustic stuff on III

This was a great quote. I'll join the "I love me some Zep" club. For me, they were the first group I heard that really opened my eyes to music. I grew up listening to Led Zep, Hendrix and countless other seventies groups in a small west Texas town that did not have radio stations that wore this shit out daily. For me, growing up listening to this stuff was a form of rebellion to all the country or pop rock shit that was around me. And it wasn't for the exceptional songwriting, the showy musicianship or the amazing vocals (c'mon, really)....it was for the way the music grooved.

I had no idea it was so cool to hate them. Wow.

I mean, I don't even know how to respond to this thread.

I guess if you can't see the talent or influence that this LEGENDARY band had, then no amount of feedback is going to convince you to like them.

Wow.

it's NOT cool to not like them.
i'm not sure who spread that rumor.

I'm not sure I have much to contribute that hasn't already been said by others but I'll give it a shot.

I LOVED Zeppelin in high school like a lot of you. I was WAY too into classic rock and basically made myself sick of the whole genre by the time I was a junior in college. The problem with Zeppelin specifically is that everyone I knew got into them at some point and radio stations love to overplay them. It got to the point for me that everyone wanted to talk about their favorite "Zep" album and the radio was playing almost everything from their catalog.

I never voluntarily listen to Zeppelin anymore but still own all of their albums in some form or another and respect them as a band. I think Jimmy Page is one of the most innovative guitar players ever and had a huge impact on music. He just has such a polished and catchy tone to his guitar and he's so technically good that I don't care if he wanks for seven minutes in a song.

Same could be said for prog-rock in general for that matter (for the record, I appresh both). Good call, Yail. Someone (F'n'B I think) tried to make a distinction between jamband noddling and a more mantric repitition, citing VU and Coltrane as exampes. I never really got the distinction, so I wouldn't do it much justice here.

I'm in the "Zep are great. I don't own any of the studio records or have the urge to listen to them very often. I sure do as hell enjoy the music when I'm listening to it, though" crowd.

I dislike the whole burnout aura that surrounds them.
But the music is brilliant.

See the "How the West Was Won" video and see if you can maintain your dislike for the band. They will fry your brain.

And, no matter what anybody says, In Through the Out Door is a great record. It just shows how great they were that they could just decide to do a pop record and then make one as good as that.

EDIT: And I think that the album mentioned above should shut up anyone about them not having great songs. Oh, and, um.... ever hear fo "Stairway To Heaven"? It's become a cliché for a REASON. It's been played the SHIT out of, because it's FUCK-ALL GREAT!

Yeah, but you cream yourself over Michael Jackson and Wham.