It's certainly better than Presence and was most definitely not an embarrassing way to go out.

Steve

I don't play their albums regularly anymore, like I do with say, the Stones...but I still think they were a great band, and certainly don't think they "suck."

Presence has some bad ass moments too.

They are great, but years of classic rock abuse has left me almost never having a desire to listen to them anymore. I hated them for years and years up until college, primarily because I can't fucking stand "Stairway to Heaven," but I eventually saw the light and then became blinded by it. Now, I do not deny their brilliance, I only tend to avoid them like the plague. Make sense?

I know Bloor, Busty, Derris and Dalen are with me on this one:

Go to a crowded bar

Put on Led Zeppelin II aka THE BROWN BOMBER

watch the place go instantly crazy

then tell me you don't like this band.

it's funny because Zep was panned by critics during the 70's. Now they're considered rock icons and are universally praised by critics as forefathes of today's rock.

I really like Zep and own their first 6 or 7 albums. I've always liked them because my dad would play II quite a bit when i was young. i don't listen to them as much anymore but when I'm in the mood for them they never fail to impress.

I'm not sure if that means i have bad taste in music or not.

Sufjan Stevens was quite awesome live on Wednesday night. Another rare Boise show.

"The little shit looks harmless, but he does represent the magazine that trashed 'Layla,' broke up Cream and ripped every album Led Zeppelin ever made."

- Jeff Bebe

I think this would probably hurt my perception of the band.

Were they panned for the music or because they had an ass kicker as a manager and didn't "play ball" like most groups from that period?

Steve

I, like lots here, was a lapsed Zep fan. But last week I got "How The West Was Won" and I am SO back. Disc 1 makes my stereo sound three volume levels louder than it is. If I had hair, it'd have been blown off by now.

Ambivalence I can understand, but people who use their energy actively disliking Led Zeppelin don't like life. Plain and simple.

They were panned because their early albums were blatant, uncredited (and unimaginative) rip offs of old blues masters. They were panned because they mixed Plant's bullshit hippie mysticism with repetitive, bludgeoning arrangements. They were panned because even when they attempted something different (ie: reggae with "D'yer Maker") they proved themselves colossally incompetent. But, as Harry said, the dumb folks loved 'em.

I'm pretty sure this would only work in Canada.

That's what I'm talkin' about!

For the record, I've heard plenty of Zeppelin, not just the radio stuff. My dad's a huge fan, who has nearly all their albums on cd. Now my younger sister's big into them so she plays them quite a bit, as well. I don't hate them because I think it's cool to hate them. I just don't really care for them.

There's a lot of bands from that era which I either don't "get" or just don't really like. Cream, Pink Floyd, Rush, Hendrix... they just don't anything for me.

I've seen their movie. Song Remains The Same, I think? And yeah, I mean a twelve or however minute long drum solo is kind of cool as a novelty and it might be technically impressive but I don't have any vested interest.

i feel bad about the unaccredited part.
they should have been honest about where they got all the songs.
(although with the blues, who the hell knows? everyone stole blatantly from everyone.)

but to say the were unimaginative rip offs is so far from the truth.
they sound nothing like the original songs they were covering or tweaking.

they made a sound that was radically different than anything that came before it, and everything that came after.

Not that it would change your mind, but Zep would be the first to tell you that that film documents one of their all time worse nights.

Steve

yeah, "song remains the same" is horrible.

Makes me wonder if his favorite LZ song is "The Crunge" .

That's right, because of people like them, you are obligated to hate them.

Buster.

It seems to me that quite a few people here (though they would never admit it) don't like Zep because of the people that typically do like them. Having flash backs to jerks in high school and dipshit in camaro's cruising through town. I learned to get over the fact that i can't control who likes what msuic....so if a huge asshole fratboy jock loves Chrome, Pulp, or Red House Painters i could really care less.

Led Zeppelin is the band that started me on my journey to music geekdom. I loved them from the first time I listened to them ("Physical Graffiti") and I will love them until my end.