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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:08 am 
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This is rather revolutionary from a major label. From NME:

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WARNER TO LAUNCH REVOLUTIONARY NEW RECORD LABEL

WARNER is setting up a revolutionary new record label.

The music giants are getting ready to launch the ‘e-label’ which will do away with CDs in favour of releasing a small numbers of tracks at a time – to be known as “clusters” – only on the internet.

New bands and artists will be signed to the label without the pressures or costs of recording, manufacturing and distributing full albums.

Warner chairman Edgar Bronfman Jr said: “Our most important job is to work with artists and help them hone their craft.”

Bronfman said that too many young artists were being dropped when their first albums did not sell enough copies.

He explained: “While the old system allowed an artist time to develop and grow, today's business is such that an initial commercial failure for most artists means they no longer get a second chance."

Bronfman added that artists are less likely to be dropped by the e-label before they reach their full potential and Warner will be able to track which artists become fan favourites.

He said: “"At this new label, an artist can develop in a supportive, lower-risk environment. An artist is not required to have enough material for an album, only just enough to excite our ears.”

"Rather than releasing an album every couple of years, every few months the label will release 'clusters' - three or more songs - by an artist. And, finally, and perhaps most revolutionary, artists retain ownership of their masters and copyrights while signed to this label,” Bronfman added.

According to BBC News, Bronfman said that Warner were “excited by the power of digital distribution now available to every potential artist. We see our mission as not to control the means by which artists' voices are heard, but to amplify those voices”.

He continued: “And the more those voices are amplified and distributed through more and more channels, the more we empower consumers to make emotional connections to the artists and music they most want to hear."

The chairman said that the e-label’s success would be measured by “our ability to identify and develop powerful creative voices”.

"As a music company, we also understand that our ultimate success lies not in preventing people from getting what they want but in providing it to them in new and exciting ways."


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:13 am 
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way to finally wake up to technology.

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I tried to find somebody of that sort that I could like that nobody else did - because everybody would adopt his group, and his group would be _it_; someone weird like Captain Beefheart. It's no different now - people trying to outdo ! each other in extremes. There are people who like X, and there are people who say X are wimps; they like Black Flag.


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But do you really think that Warner is doing this to benefit artists?

Secondly, I have no need for digital first generation releases.

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No, but I applaud them for at least coming up with a business plan that attempts to embrace technology instead of sticking their head in the sand.

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I tried to find somebody of that sort that I could like that nobody else did - because everybody would adopt his group, and his group would be _it_; someone weird like Captain Beefheart. It's no different now - people trying to outdo ! each other in extremes. There are people who like X, and there are people who say X are wimps; they like Black Flag.


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Um...
I met with a guy this weekend who had a very similar idea.
He met with Sony/Warner to discuss a partnership, but the big bux wanted too much control.

Looks like they took his idea and ran with it. (Or at least a portion of it.)

www.tantrumniche.com

He's been courting Hop On Pop to be a part of this, but I've been a little wary. I'm thinking that I still might sign up, though. The guy's got good business sense and I think he's legit.

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No, but I applaud them for at least coming up with a business plan that attempts to embrace technology instead of sticking their head in the sand.


I can buy that. I'm just cautious when Greeks arrive bearing gifts.

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finally some plan that close-to-makes-sense. i'm also skeptical as to their intent -- they're probably losing too much on the cd end (or, not making as much as they want) and are -finally- spreading out.

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but how can this hurt? the artists get some notice, some exposure and get to keep their master reels....


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Ike Reilly's "Sparkle In The Finish B-Sides" is an internet-only "cluster" and I hate the format. I immediately burned it so I could put the disc into the stacks.

This digital cluster thing sucks. I don't care about their intentions, I care about what is available for me to buy.

I don't want to print my own cover art, I don't want to have to supply my own discs and jewel cases, and I don't want to have to rely on a CD burner whose output deteriorates exponentially faster than a factory-burnt disc.


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you might be in the minority.

im not trying to antogonize you, but i know a lot of people prefer vinyl still.


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scottycash99 Wrote:
you might be in the minority.


Probably, but the masses are a crappy peer group.


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I don't want to print my own cover art, I don't want to have to supply my own discs and jewel cases, and I don't want to have to rely on a CD burner whose output deteriorates exponentially faster than a factory-burnt disc.

My guess is that this is aimed more towards people with Ipods and other mp3 players and who aren't going to care about burning the music to a cd and printing out cover art to have something physical. This sounds like Itunes, except with exclusive-to-the-label music.


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Who's going to sign with a major to put out a 'digital cluster'. I could do that from home.

If you sign to a record label you want a product at the end of it.

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Billzebub Wrote:
This digital cluster thing sucks. I don't care about their intentions, I care about what is available for me to buy.

I don't want to print my own cover art, I don't want to have to supply my own discs and jewel cases, and I don't want to have to rely on a CD burner whose output deteriorates exponentially faster than a factory-burnt disc.


i agree. granted i love my i-pod and the easy access to find music on the internet, i don't necessarily agree with this whole "digital" fad.

for example, when i go to see a dj play, i don't want to see him sifting through his i-pod nor playing cd's. i want to see him play vinyl. and yes i understand the reasoning for playing cd's because of better format, easier to transport, etc. but that's just me being a purist at heart.

when i go music-shopping, i want the original artwork and what not... if my i-pod or harddrive were to crap out- i'd be fucked. never once have i bought anything from i-tunes.

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Who's going to sign with a major to put out a 'digital cluster'. I could do that from home.

If you sign to a record label you want a product at the end of it.


As I see it, the only competitive advantage the big labels would keep in this model is the marketing and promotional strength they've cultivated through the years. If someone can come up with an effective way to market and promote the cluster model - and allay concerns like the ones Billz listed - then the majors will REALLY be in trouble.

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konstantinl Wrote:
If you sign to a record label you want a product at the end of it.


the definition of "product" is changing. our kids quite possibly will know nothing but digitial streams on demand from centralized servers. vinyl? cds? BAH!

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konstantinl Wrote:
If you sign to a record label you want a product at the end of it.


the definition of "product" is changing. our kids quite possibly will know nothing but digitial streams on demand from centralized servers. vinyl? cds? BAH!


that's exactly what i'm afraid of. sigh.

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