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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:42 pm 
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has anyone seent his film about teh Minutemen? I've heard good things, but i cant find it anywhere.


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I don't think it's out on video yet. Should be this fall.

It made a really small tour of some small venues, and I heard good things about it as well. I'm really eager to see it.


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a friend form boston said it played there. i guess there were an abundance of people who went to see it.


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Missed it when Watt brought it here, sadly.


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Saw it in Nashville a couple of weeks ago. It's still making the art house circuit. We Jam Econo screenings

Another great music film not to miss is Be Here to Love Me about Townes Van Zandt. It's still in the festival circuit (I saw it at the Nashville film fest) and will be released to theatres in October.


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I'm seeing it at the Gene Siskel Film Center in Chicago in about 40 minutes. I'm very excited.

WE JAM ECONO: THE STORY OF THE MINUTEMEN
2005, Tim Irwin, USA, 90 min.

With the untimely death of D. Boon in 1985, the independent music world lost one of its strongest, most unflinching voices. With his band the Minutemen, Boon helped shape the Southern California postpunk scene that emerged in the early ‘80s, forging an original, heady sound with fragments of political rage, vanguard/populist musical ingredients, and an inspiring DIY attitude. This, the only documentary about the legendary band, is guided by Minutemen bassist Mike Watt. Providing a good foundation for the claim that the Minutemen were the greatest rock band of all time, it features rare live footage and interviews with Richard Hell, Fugazi, Black Flag, Sonic Youth, Flea and many others. Digi Beta video.

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”We Jam Econo” is Mike Watt’s D.I.Y. mantra that you can hear in a couple different Minutemen songs, referring to the band’s ethic of driving themselves, hauling their own equipment, and making music their own way. Essential viewing for fans of the Minutemen, and even those unfamiliar with the 80s American indie punk scene who would like to learn more, We Jam Econo is a revelation. The movie succeeds on the strength of some amazing live footage and interviews with the band during their peak, and Mike Watt’s candid, heartfelt commentary as he drives his beater van around San Pedro, visiting landmarks. Watching Watt perform with fireHOSE in the 80s and other later performances such as The Stooges reunion, he always seemed like a badass. Good natured, perhaps, but he played his bass like a coiled tiger, ready to attack. His occasional vocal parts often unleashed some pretty righteous rage. Here we see another side of Watt, as a doddering, sentimental nerd. And that’s the beauty of The Minutemen. Watt and d. Boon were unpopular history buffs who played together (badly) in the Bright Orange Band and the Reactionaries, and George Hurley was a blonde, buff surfer jock, who was open minded enough in 1979 to see these guys had something special. He would also soon grow the most amazing, bouffant floppety hairdo known to the 80s punk scene. Watt pointed out the tree that d. Boon fell out of when they first met at the age of 13 and said, “I was quite smitten.” More than a musical biography, We Jam Econo is also a kind of platonic love story, about two best friends who were unafraid to show their affection in a punk scene that was intensely macho and homophobic. Even Hurley played with a gay new wave band in San Francisco while on a brief hiatus from the Minutemen.

And like romantic lovers, Watt and Boon fought fiercely, mostly during the creative process. It was definitely a fruitful relationship, as they progressed quickly from kids who could barely play their instruments (Watt used a guitar with four strings at first, and didn’t even recognize a bass when he saw one up close for the first time), playing covers of Blue Oyster Cult, Creedence Clearwater Revival and The Who, to near virtuosos who had a handle a wide range of arty post-punk and even free jazz. Their moment of revelation was hearing punk for the first time, when they realized they weren’t alone, that there were other weirdos out there. Influenced by Captain Beefheart, The Stooges, The Germs, The Voidoids, Gang Of Four, Wire and The Pop Group, The Minutemen’s signature style quickly gelled and after just one gig opening for Black Flag, Greg Ginn asked them to make a record for SST. The result was SST 002, the 1980 Paranoid Time EP. This is the part of the movie where interviews with dozens of the band’s friends and followers come in. People like Ian Mackaye (then of the Teen Idles, later Minor Threat and Fugazi), Henry Rollins, Flea and Thurston Moore gushed about how they were blown away by its originality, really opening up the idea of what punk could sound like. I was surprised to learn that they had a friendship with Richard Meltzer, former lyric writer for Blue Oyster Cult, pioneering Lester Bangs-era rock journalist and flaming asshole. He even wrote nearly an album’s worth of lyrics for the band.

The respect and awe held for the Minutemen among their musician peers was nearly matched by the befuddlement and hostility displayed at shows, when closed minded audiences spit at them for straying beyond their idea of the “punk” formula of straightforward, hard fast tunes. But through relentless touring from 1981 through 1985, The Minutemen won over a devoted following through their fervent yet unpretentious politics, jaw-dropping musicianship, constantly evolving experimentation, and sheer heart and soul. While they believed that what they did was art, they didn’t think it should be held on a pedestal. Rather, it should be expressed in everyday life, and involve the audience. At a time when MTV and the hair metal scene in nearby Los Angeles was working to reinforce the notion of musicians as bigger-than-life rock gods, The Minutemen remained defiantly bluecollar, and fought against the notion of rock stardom by steadfastly retaining their D.I.Y. ethic.

Most agree their creative peak was 1984’s sprawling double album, Double Nickels On The Dime. They were inspired to go back into the studio and write another twenty-something tracks when they learned friendly rivals and labelmates Hьsker Dь had just completed a double album. Indeed, it rivaled Zen Arcade, Let It Be, even Purple Rain as the best album of the year. Some fans even claimed it was the best album ever. In a particularly endearing moment in an interview conducted shortly after the band completed their last album, 1985’s 3-Way Tie (For Last), d. Boon waxes philosophical about what motivates him, revealing a nearly hippie idealism in which their art will inspire every community they play in to sprout their own unique scene with many bands, a club and record label in every neighborhood.

The film handled d. Boon’s tragic fatal car crash on December 22, 1985 with subtlety, avoiding any melodramatic clichйs of feeding on Watt’s agony. He simply said it was a very dark, intense day for him and Georgie (Hurley). The documentary style and pacing of We Jam Econo is reminiscent of the 1993 documentary Half Japanese: The Band That Would Be King. It shares the same disarming earnestness and fanboy enthusiasm, but substitutes the Spinal Tap-like tongue-in-cheek absurdity with truly revolutionary, punk rock spirit. Boon would have been proud.


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No luv f' th' Minutemen mates? Perhaps if I translate it to Cockney...

”We Jam Econo” is Mike Watt’s D.I.Y. mantra that yer can 'ear in a couple different Minutemen songs, referrin' ter the band’s effic of drivin' themselves, right, haulin' their own equipment, and makin' music their own way, init?Essential viewin' for fans of the bloomin' Minutemen, and even them unfamiliar wiv the 80s a septic tank indie punk scene 'oo would like ter learn more, right, We Jam Econo is a revelation. The bloody movie succeeds on the strengff of some amazin' live footage and interviews wiv the band durin' their peak, right, and Mike Watt’s candid, heartfelt commentary as 'e drives 'is beater van 'round San Pedro, right, visitin' landmarks. Cor blimey guv, would I lie to you? Wotchin' Watt perform wiv fireHOSE in the 80s and uvver later performances such as The Stooges reunion, he always seemed like a badass. Good natured, peraps, but 'e played 'is bass like a coiled tiger, ready ter attack. Yer can't 'ave a knees-up wivout a joanna. His occasional vocal parts often unleashed some pretty righteous rage. Here we spot anuvver side of Watt, as a dodderin', right, sentimental poof. And that’s the bleedin' beauty of The Minutemen. Watt and d. Boon were unpopular 'istory buffs 'oo played togeffer (badly) in the Bright Orange Band and the chuffin' Reactionaries, right, and George 'urley were a blonde, right, buff surfer jock, 'oo were open minded enough in 1979 ter see these lads 'ad sumfink special. 'e would also soon grow the most amazin', bouffant floppety 'airdo known ter the 80s punk scene. Watt pointed out the bloomin' tree that d. Boon fell out of wen they first met at the chuffin' age of 13 and said, right, “I were quite smitten.” More than a musical biography, We Jam Econo is also a sort of platonic luv story, right, about two Mae West chinas 'oo were unafraid ter show their affection in a punk scene that were intensely macho and 'omophobic. Even 'urley played wiv a gay new wave band in San Francisco wile on a brief 'iatus from the Minutemen.


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No luv f' th' Minutemen mates?


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No luv f' th' Minutemen mates? Perhaps if I translate it to Cockney...


I appreciate that and all, but nothing short of either A)this coming back to Atlanta for another showing or B)it coming out on DVD so I can rent/buy it is going to be of much use to me.


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Future screenings: http://www.theminutemen.com/screenings.html

Any old geezers seen the Minutemen live?


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Yeah, no future screenings planned for the immediate area...

sigh.


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Any old geezers seen the Minutemen live?


december 1985 (two weeks before boon's death) - opened for r.e.m. here in richmond


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Wow, how was it? Watt talked about their very last show -- they joined R.E.M. onstage to play Television's "See No Evil' I think. How did the R.E.M. crowd react? It was cool that R.E.M. insisted Minutemen tour with them (their label was pushing for someone more 'popular').


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I was living in Venice CA in 1985... a friend who was very enthusiastic about the "south bay" punk scene, who had introduced me to the Minutemen, 2020, Black Flag, the Decendents... he maintained I had already seen them in a small club in Venice... off winward, can't remember the name... as was par the course in those years, I may have seen them but I didn't remember...

He absolutely insisted I go to Huntington Beach to see MM again... I had loved DN on the D. Not generally wanting to ever go to Orange County, I went. It was a small cheesy club called "surf" something or other.

They were a roar, a blur of energy and passion. I couldn't keep my eyes off of Darby. He seemed so "tough" and "fragile" (a good combination for me in those years). I remember thinking that they were like a jazz combo... listening to each other very carefully so they could each go there own way. But mostly I remember Darby's face that seemed so earnest, so interested in communicating that this was SERIOUS and we had to pay attention.

I remember the moment a couple of months later when I heard that he had died... I remember it like when Lennon was shot. I am so grateful I have lived these exact years I have lived.

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Awesome story. However the "d" is for Dennes Dale. Darby Crash was in the Germs and died years earlier. It's funny that you were there, appreciated the music, but couldn't necessarily bothered to keep the names straight ;) I'm actually getting more curious about what Harry was like back then!...


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Awesome story. However the "d" is for Dennes Dale. Darby Crash was in the Germs and died years earlier. It's funny that you were there, appreciated the music, but couldn't necessarily bothered to keep the names straight ;) I'm actually getting more curious about what Harry was like back then!...


Ha! I meant D Boon... obviously there is long-term damage in operation here.

I did see the Germs too... I think....

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<<Any old geezers seen the Minutemen live? >>

Usually as an opening act. But, of course, they could cram a lot of songs into even the shortest slot!


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Heads-up for KC area peoples...there's word that the movie will be screened this month at the Record Bar.

http://www.therecordbar.com/


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Never made it out to the theatre to see this, so thought I'd announce We Jam Econo was finally released on DVD yesterday. I'm scheduled to receive my Netflix copy tonight. For those interested, you might want to toss this into your queue.


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I just saw this again on Monday night, then a group of local musicians who had created a Minutemen cover band for this specific event at the Basement proceeded to melt my face of with their total awesomeness.


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Wanna see this sometime...love the Minutemen, one of the best live bands of that era...the SST bands were all immensely important to spreading the gospel with relentless touring, bringing musical style across the country that was otherwise often hidden away from much of America.

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